Driveline problem...theory?

[Guelphguy]

Ok, had my 90 535i since November last year. When I had first gotten it there was a lot of "vibration'. Replaced the Motor mounts and this seemed to have solved 80% of it. I still have the tranny mounts to replace but here is what I am left with:
A vibration/shutter that occurs only between 40-60km while under acceleration/load that feels worse when the car warms up. If I kick the car down and raise the RPM's this usually makes the vibration go away. If I am passing on the highway 80-100km, no vibration felt at all....


Possible causes:
Tranny mounts - I think would only mask the feeling more
Tires - would only get worse as the car got faster.
Driveline balance - I would think that this as well would only get worse as RPM increased.
My guess is now:
Replace guibo and hanger bearing? Is there anything else I should consider with that? U-joints? I am thinking that it is worse when it heats up cause either the rubber of the guibo or hanger bearing "expand" when heated...and it is only bad at certain speed/rpm cause the bearing or guibo again get the right amount of force to start to fail?
I guess it also could be coil pack in the tranny?
DO you think I am right in trying the guibo/hanger-bearing combo next?

[Mobius]

If it's the guibo, you'll know it when you look at it. Guibos that have failed to the point of making vibrations like this are very visibly destroyed.

If it's not the guibo, it's failed universal joints. 170,000km is a bit early for them to fail (more like 170,000mi) - but if it's the case, you're looking at about $500 for a new driveshaft, as the joints aren't serviceable.

The failure symptoms of each are pretty similar; as they're both exacerbated by torque. Only slight difference is that a failed guibo will shake all the time (more when torqued), while a u-joint will only tend to shake when it's torqued the most (on a manual; upper end of 1st gear and lower end of 2nd).

My money's on the driveshaft. :\

[Guelphguy]

Hmm, really? What about the hanger-bearing...is there much harm in going in changing the guibo and hanger bearing. THen if vibration is still there, then I am looking at a driveshaft?

[talltorontoguy]

I'm in Kitchener now... so we're neighbours! I'm gonna have to change my nick to tallkwguy.

Where are you getting parts and service in this area?

[Mobius]

Hmm, really? What about the hanger-bearing...is there much harm in going in changing the guibo and hanger bearing. THen if vibration is still there, then I am looking at a driveshaft?Yeah, like I said, if it's the guibo, you'll know it by looking at it. A failed guibo is a pretty obvious sight. Also, if it has failed, you don't have much time before the car becomes undriveable. Ask me how I know. :)

The hanger bearing is a possibility - but you wouldn't be feeling a torque-related shake from it, rather a wheel-speed related shake. You'll be replacing this with a new driveshaft anyhow.

[632 Regal]

the center bearing has a rubber surround, that should be obvios if its torn up, the bearing itself if it dont have play will growel. I have seen pictures of the rubber part completely gone. Check/replace guibo and then take a look at the center bearing. There is a special way to install these with preload...well get to that if you need to replace it.

[Bellicose Right Winger]

From your description, this sounds like an automatic. If so then you don't have a guibo. Canadian cars may be different but the exhaust on the US 535ia's cook the trans mounts. Mine were separated and compressed in length. Likewise the rubber surround on the center bearing becomes distorted after 15+ years of heat, abuse and doesn't hold the driveshaft at the correct height. Check the u-joints for play, my bet is they're ok, and change the center bearing and trans mounts.

Paul Shovestul




........ If I kick the car down and raise the RPM's this usually makes the vibration ....

[ryan roopnarine]

From your description, this sounds like an automatic. If so then you don't have a guibo.
Paul Shovestul

not trying to be impolite paul, but if automatics don't have jew-bo's, i spent about 8 hours retrofitting one to my auto 92 525i. i made a poll about this, winfred said something to the effect of him rarely seeing the forward u-joint fitting on automatic e32s or e34s (i apologise if i remember your exact statement incorrectly).

[DueyT]

ETK shows a U/J for a 1990 535iA, not a guibo. I know the EKT isn't perfect, but short of looking under the beastie, I'd have to go with Paul on this one.

Cheers,
Duey

[632 Regal]

I have a front guibo in mine, thats an automatic.

[Bellicose Right Winger]

Ryan,
There's nothing impolite about correcting technical errors. Both 1990 535ia's I've seen had ujoints not guibos. I wasn't suggesting that all 525/530/540's with automatics don't have guibos. Guelphguy will have to look to be sure.

Cheers,
Paul Shovestul



not trying to be impolite paul, but if automatics don't have jew-bo's, i spent about 8 hours retrofitting one to my auto 92 525i. i made a poll about this, winfred said something to the effect of him rarely seeing the forward u-joint fitting on automatic e32s or e34s (i apologise if i remember your exact statement incorrectly).

[Guelphguy]

Ok, so when you say that the driveshaft is not serviceable? I assume that refers to only the u-joint? I do have a guibo, for the sake of getting down to the problem, I wonder if it still makes sense to try a new guibo and center-bearing before trying a $500 shaft!

[Hector]

bearing. For what its' worth, mine has a u-joint at the tranny flange, another one at the center bearing and like a C-V joint at the final drive flange. I get vibrations at high speeds. I noted that there is only play at the final drive joint and it's pretty noticeable. The other 2 u-joints are fine. Also, this is the second driveshaft that has been installed, and I will not buy another remanufactured one. The next one will be brand new from BMA...

[Guelphguy]

If I am reading this correctly, BMA has the driveshaft for like $278USD???

That seems cheap? I would still need to order guibo and center bearing anyway huh?

[632 Regal]

i would, since your in there make everything all fresh and be done with it.

[Bellicose Right Winger]

$278 does sound like a bargain. All you need is the guibo. The new driveshaft will include the center bearing.

Paul Shovestul




If I am reading this correctly, BMA has the driveshaft for like $278USD???

That seems cheap? I would still need to order guibo and center bearing anyway huh?