Pics of springs install

[brodee]

TurboMike and I put some vogtland springs on both our cars yesterday. Install went fairly smooth due to having access to lifts and full tools at Mike's shop and a nice thorough write-up by Lowell. Took about 3 hours per car.

Mike's is the black '90 and mine is the white '92. Mine went down more than 2" in the front using the springs and 3mm upper pads.

install pics.....

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3362.JPG

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3364.JPG

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3368.JPG

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3369.JPG

[brodee]

Finished pics. Both cars are within an 1/8" of each other on front and rear bumper measurements.

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3378.JPG

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3382.JPG

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3385.JPG

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3386.JPG

[brodee]

More.....

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3388.JPG

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3397.JPG

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3401.JPG

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/normal_PICT3402.JPG

[Martin in Bellevue]

Either of you using Bilstein's with the Vogtland springs? I'd love to know how they match up.

[brodee]

Both using stock shocks right now. I'm planning on some Koni's later probably, Mike is still looking at options.

[uscharalph]

Cool post. I'll be interested to here about the ride quality.

[DueyT]

Nice rides, gents! Looks great!

Cheers
Duey

[632 Regal]

looks low...has it been bottoming out yet? I wonder how much them things will settle.

[motuman]

Looking good! Please report back on the ride quality when you get a chance.

[liquidtiger720]

That looks great!. I might have to sell my eibachs and purchase those if I don't feel low enough after my wheel upgrade.

You think the vogtland springs will work well with the boge shocks that came with the sachs kit?


brodee. Do you have any closer/bigger pics of the front wheel gap- on yours.

[Patrick]

Nice job -looks good guys. (nm)

[TheDuke]

BTW where is the best place to buy struts? I was looking at blisteins (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=33590&item=7985805728&sspagename=WDVW). I don't want to drop my ride height since roads in MA are pretty shitty. Also I barely make it on the ramps when I want to do oil changes. So I’m looking for a ride quality vs. the price.

[632 Regal]

BTW where is the best place to buy struts? I was looking at blisteins (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=33590&item=7985805728&sspagename=WDVW). I don't want to drop my ride height since roads in MA are pretty shitty. Also I barely make it on the ramps when I want to do oil changes. So I’m looking for a ride quality vs. the price.,

[pundit]

Yeah... please post your thoughts on ride quality and any bottoming issues.

[brodee]

Ride is definately more harsh than before. Handling is much nicer though. I have had a rubbing issue on the front when I'm turning and pulling into my driveway (it goes down from the street). I haven't looked under there yet to see where it's hitting.

Here's a before and after shot on Mike's
http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/P7160002.JPG

http://www.tmdnet.com/album/albums/Cars/1992%20525M/Springs/P7160008.JPG

[liquidtiger720]

How many "finger widths" gap do you have up front?

[Kalevera]

Wow...Mike's car looks 10x better! :)

Seems like yours went a bit lower, though -- was it because you used the 3mm spring pads versus Mike using stockers (or did he do the same thing?)!?

best, whit

[mattyb]

was it only the front u changed or all round. do these springs come in other sizes or is that what they are?specific to that one product size?

[infinity5]

hmm. wow, i've never seen a before and after shot like that. i don't know if i like how unlevel the car looks. yikes. I guess it only makes sense, but the contrast is sharp.

[Denasti]

Yeah it looks good, but I cannot believe he has rubbing issues with that much room and you don't. I recently put 18's on with 245/40's and there is room to stick a screw driver in between the suspension and that is it!

I need to look into a lower kit but after reading all the posts. I am leaning towards a set of Mtech in the front and boge or Bill Touring all around. Lots of pot holes and dirt roads here in texas.

I just hear lots of bottoming out and camber horror stories. Plus the 18's do fill the front fenders up nicely without a drop. 1' drop in the front would be ideal for me.


I would like to know how the before and afters look of your car and the camber and bottoming out issues are working for you. great pics already! Thanks

[pundit]

...Plus the 18's do fill the front fenders up nicely without a drop...
18" wheels (inc tyres) should not 'fill the front fenders up' any more or less than 15"s, 16"s or 17"s etc. If they do then your tyres are incorrect. The overall diameter of any wheels (inc tyres) should remain the same regardless of rim size or they will alter the vehicles gearing and possibly cause other problems such as rubbing. Visually, larger rims may appear to fill out your fenders but in reality only lowering your suspension will do that. ;)

[Ted K]

Looks great. How is the ride? What size rims aer on both cars. Are mikes 17 and yours 18?

[brodee]

Seems like yours went a bit lower, though -- was it because you used the 3mm spring pads versus Mike using stockers (or did he do the same thing?)
Actually we both used the same springs and same 4mm pads. I thought mine looked lower too, but it's just because of the color I guess. Measuring the front and rear bumpers both cars are withing 1/8" of each other.


was it only the front u changed or all round. do these springs come in other sizes or is that what they are?specific to that one product size?
We did all four on each car. If you look closesly at his before and after you can see the back is down slightly also. As far as I know Vogtland makes two sets of springs for these cars, these and some called "audio" springs. They are supposed to be stiffer for people with lots of audio weight in their trunk.


hmm. wow, i've never seen a before and after shot like that. i don't know if i like how unlevel the car looks. yikes. I guess it only makes sense, but the contrast is sharp.
We both like it, but we both come from muscle car background and that's the look we are used to with a little rake.

[brodee]

Yeah it looks good, but I cannot believe he has rubbing issues with that much room and you don't.
I don't know if he does, I on the other hand am rubbing slightly when I pull in my driveway, other than that no issues.


Lots of pot holes and dirt roads here in texas.
Hey, I live in Texas, I just don't drive on dirt roads ;)

[brodee]

Looks great. How is the ride? What size rims aer on both cars. Are mikes 17 and yours 18?

Mike's is running 17x8.5" all the way around with 225/45 on the front and 245/45 on the rear.

I have 18x8.5" all the way around with 245/40's on all 4 corners.

I got to hit some corners tonight on my way home from hockey. Car is so much more fun to drive now. I hear everyone on here talking about how great these cars handle, but mine always felt big and heavy since I'm used to my e30. Now it feels much nicer around the corners and even running 90-100 down the highway feels smoother.

[casurfer911]

i read in the instruction manual that these cars have 50/50 weight dist.

[liquidtiger720]

brodee, do you know how much your wheels/tires weigh? or wheels and tires seperately?...did you notice any negative effects after installing your upgraded rims/tires?

[brodee]

brodee, do you know how much your wheels/tires weigh? or wheels and tires seperately?...did you notice any negative effects after installing your upgraded rims/tires?

No clue, I'll try to weigh one the next time I have them off. I know they are heavy. Didn't really notice much difference in performance or handling, but I don't pus this car that hard either.

On my e30 I switched from 16" t-star replicas that were HEAVY to my 15" Kosei K1's for track and can feel a huge difference in acceleration and response, but it is a lighter car and has the m20 in it.

[turbo mike]

I guess it's time for me to chime in. I had register first.

My car does have a rake to it. I don't mind it though. Gives it that drag look that Thad (Brodee) mentioned. I think that part of the rake is from the staggered tire size (245 rear and 225 front). These tires have different heights and I'm not sure yet how substantial.

As you can see from my before and after pics, the gap in the front was HUGE. The rear was not that bad. When I first put these rims/tires on I could not stand how they looked with the vehicle at stock height.

The tires rubbed on the driver's side front and driver's side rear going over dips in the road and making right hand turns. At first I though that me being about 230lbs was causing this.
However my driver's side front fender has some damage and it puts the lip of it closer to the tire. So I took a rubber mallet and gently massaged it. I also found a rubber clip on the inside of the fender (maybe to hold the inner fender well?) which had tire marks on it. So I removed it and the inner fender is still secure. On the rear I used a vise grip to carefully fold the edges of the fender lip (which look to have been rolled by the factoryin the top center area).

Now it rides and handles great without running. Going over a severe dip in the road at high speeds will cause a slight rub from the rear, but it did that before I put the springs on too. I also don't like the way the car feels going over parking lot speed bumps. This could be from worn out OEM 220K miles shocks.

[pundit]

No clue, I'll try to weigh one the next time I have them off. I know they are heavy. Didn't really notice much difference in performance or handling, but I don't pus this car that hard either.

On my e30 I switched from 16" t-star replicas that were HEAVY to my 15" Kosei K1's for track and can feel a huge difference in acceleration and response, but it is a lighter car and has the m20 in it.
The standardfactory basketweaves will be lighter than almost any aftermarket wheels unless you're spending big dollars to buy ultra light weight forged rims. So in reality most who fit aftermarket wheels are actually downgrading the performance of their E34's. Apart from the benefit of reduced sidewall roll of lower profile tyres on larger diameter rims, acceleration, braking and handling in general (especially over uneven surfaces) will be worsened by fitting wheels that weight more the the standard wheels. And most do weigh more... in many cases a LOT more!

So for most of us it's a classic case of fashion over function which I find somewhat ironic as we all marvel at the technical excellence of the E34 and then do our best to stuff it by worsening the original engineering! ;)