For those who're afrade to rev the engine M30

[grave77]

just for fun I took this from my car.

It's an MP4 video ... if it didnt play download the codec to play it.

right click here (http://divineftp.no-ip.org:1972/video_00006.mp4) then save target as ... :D

[Scott H]

Show us some real balls and hold it against the rev limiter for as long as you can. I will do the same thing with the M50 in my 525iT.....we can play a game of chicken sorta.... ;) (smiley face for Gayle so she doesn't mistake my tone)


just for fun I took this from my car.

It's an MP4 video ... if it didnt play download the codec to play it.

right click here (http://divineftp.no-ip.org:1972/video_00006.mp4) then save target as ... :D

[Jon K]

Show us some real balls and hold it against the rev limiter for as long as you can. I will do the same thing with the M50 in my 525iT.....we can play a game of chicken sorta.... ;) (smiley face for Gayle so she doesn't mistake my tone)

Yeah I'd like this...


grave77, accept Scott's challenge!

[grave77]

I will ... if he took a look at the pics he would see the RPM at the same limit while driving at 230Km/h ... isnt that enough?? now this chip is the EAT 6500 RPM ... soon the 6800 will be :P ...

[grave77]

by the way .. you have stage III Dinan on ur engine ... I'm using OEM ... this post is for those who got OEM engines and are afrade to go over 5500RPM ...

[misfortune]

Show us some real balls and hold it against the rev limiter for as long as you can. I will do the same thing with the M50 in my 525iT.....we can play a game of chicken sorta.... ;) (smiley face for Gayle so she doesn't mistake my tone)

you boys better watch your tone or mom will get you!!

[Torque]

Let's make this a 3 way challenge with the m20 as well. I have to take off my tranmission first though. Stupid un-revvable automatic.

[Incantation]

download what codec, exactly?
url?

[Paul in NZ]

i rev my car to 5500 most days.....the accelleration drops of after the tourque peak,and i a welll over the speed limit by then

[SharkmanBMW]

you boys better watch your tone or mom will get you!!


It is seriously time to let up on gayle... she has played along enough.
She is not "mom", she is truly one of us,
cut her some slack, I really don't think she appreciates it!

[Paul in NZ]

quicktime played it for me,you revved it to about 6700 or so and already had you foot off the throttle,whats the point?.You should go play with the guy who held his car at 5500 or so for 15minutes,not moving.

[Jose]

It will outlast the M50 with it's eyes closed. Last year when I stll had my Schnitzer 535i, we drove back from Spain at night with the speedo hitting the 260 km/h constantly and the rev counter hitting over 6.000 rpm for over 2200 kms and 15 hours with only stopping for tankstops ( a lot of them!!!) , it didn't even get past the middle of the temp gauge.

[Jon K]

It will outlast the M50 with it's eyes closed. Last year when I stll had my Schnitzer 535i, we drove back from Spain at night with the speedo hitting the 260 km/h constantly and the rev counter hitting over 6.000 rpm for over 2200 kms and 15 hours with only stopping for tankstops ( a lot of them!!!) , it didn't even get past the middle of the temp gauge.


I don't want to ruin your story...

But many 92 M50's with their stock double valve springs, short stroke, thick connecting rods and walls are revving to 7500 rpm on stock internals in the FI crowd. You have to be out of your MIND if you think a M30 is going to out rev an M50. That M30 will chew up the mechanical valves in no time.

[Scott H]

The Dinan Stage III refers to the suspension on my M5. The M50 in my 525iT is boner stock.


by the way .. you have stage III Dinan on ur engine ... I'm using OEM ... this post is for those who got OEM engines and are afrade to go over 5500RPM ....

The M30 has double springs as well. It's a toss up. If you have a weak rocker arm in the M30....SNAP!!!!


I don't want to ruin your story...

But many 92 M50's with their stock double valve springs, short stroke, thick connecting rods and walls are revving to 7500 rpm on stock internals in the FI crowd. You have to be out of your MIND if you think a M30 is going to out rev an M50. That M30 will chew up the mechanical valves in no time.

[Scott H]

got any facts or engineering principles to back up your statement other than one experience with the M30?


It will outlast the M50 with it's eyes closed. Last year when I stll had my Schnitzer 535i, we drove back from Spain at night with the speedo hitting the 260 km/h constantly and the rev counter hitting over 6.000 rpm for over 2200 kms and 15 hours with only stopping for tankstops ( a lot of them!!!) , it didn't even get past the middle of the temp gauge.

[joshuagore]

ohohh SNAP these be fighting words

Tomorrow if the mood is right I will shoot a little video and show you how we do it mechanical rev limiter style.

m20 2.3 will be floating those valves at 6500 all day long.

:)

[Jon K]

The M30 has double springs as well. It's a toss up. If you have a weak rocker arm in the M30....SNAP!!!!


The M30 does have double valve springs... however the M50 non vanos springs are an upgrade to even the S50 springs... and the S50 springs are knowingly stiffer than M30 springs... so thus M50(No TU) > S50 > M30...

The other big factor is the stroke. Either way, it takes serious head work to get a 7200rpm revving M30, while an M50(No TU) will take 7500 rpm without much issue.

Either way: Scott H wins, and that was a WEAK rev limiter bounce ;)

[misfortune]

It is seriously time to let up on gayle... she has played along enough.
She is not "mom", she is truly one of us,
cut her some slack, I really don't think she appreciates it!

oh no daddy is home!!!! :)

gayle is cool in my book

[BigKriss]

I would be scared revving my m30 engine that high. 6000rpm is around the limit for myself. The car revved to around 6700rpm, is that where the cutout is? I don't think I've taken it to cutout before, so I don't know whats it like.

[Rory535i]

The M30 has double springs as well. It's a toss up. If you have a weak rocker arm in the M30....SNAP!!!!

on that note, are upgraded rocker arms available for the M30?? I've snapped one before.

[joshuagore]

This is funny.

M30 guys you need to get a bit heavy on that right foot, and use all those revs. If the engine keeps pulling I keep pushing it. If they float, then you will hear it, sounds HOT when it happens.

:)
Josh

p.s. Ive never had an engine go:)....oh wait there was that one Honda 4 wheeler but that doesnt count.

[BigKriss]

on that note, are upgraded rocker arms available for the M30?? I've snapped one before.
G'day Rory. How are the bushes going? Of course they are available. You can strengthen almost all the engine's internals.

Custom rocker arms

http://www.2002racing.com/pages/1/index.htm

“Billet 7075 aluminum M10/M30 racing rocker arms!!! “
- price unknown

or

Reinforced Rocker Arms

http://vacmotorsports.com/cgi-bin/view_item.pl?cat=Engine+Components – US$600 for 6

[Rory535i]

Hi Kriss, thanks for the links. Not much progress on the bushes, we're up to our neck in work at the moment (big orders, 7-10,000 bushes) so we haven't had time to look at them. I'll try and get them sorted for the new year.

[Paul in NZ]

i think when the m30 hits the limiter it goes as flat as a pancake.I say this after an short full throttle uphill passing manouvre in second in the middle of the night i got to his b pillar and.....nothing,he backed off in surprise i think,and i changed up and pulled in.....I am not going to bet my M30 against a M50 in a revving or efficiency test....Please not another M50 vs M30 fight ,they are are a completely different animal from another time and another place.....be happy they live in our favourite cars.....there is no need in my mind to rev an m30 over 5500

[Jon K]

..there is no need in my mind to rev an m30 over 5500


If I told you I make 9.5 PSI @ 6400 rpm, you might change your mind :)

[BigKriss]

bmw claim maximum power at 5700, but on my car it's around 5100.

[Paul in NZ]

If I told you I make 9.5 PSI @ 6400 rpm, you might change your mind


You are right jon i would...but a std m30...... after 5500 there isnt really much point

[Scott H]

this is a simple contest of chicken....

if you've read any of my threads over the last 5 years, you'll know I have an M30, M50, and S38.....I don't care to argue about which engine is this or that



i think when the m30 hits the limiter it goes as flat as a pancake.I say this after an short full throttle uphill passing manouvre in second in the middle of the night i got to his b pillar and.....nothing,he backed off in surprise i think,and i changed up and pulled in.....I am not going to bet my M30 against a M50 in a revving or efficiency test....Please not another M50 vs M30 fight ,they are are a completely different animal from another time and another place.....be happy they live in our favourite cars.....there is no need in my mind to rev an m30 over 5500

[Scott H]

What is an OEM engine? You mean original, unmodified engine? You have a chip in it raising the rev limiter.....I'd hardly call that unmodified.



by the way .. you have stage III Dinan on ur engine ... I'm using OEM ... this post is for those who got OEM engines and are afrade to go over 5500RPM ...

[Wyn]

Not that it matters much, but I love reving all the way to 6400 in my '91 M50. It seems to run smoother after it's been done too.

[Jon K]

Not that it matters much, but I love reving all the way to 6400 in my '91 M50. It seems to run smoother after it's been done too.


Wyn, don't tell them I said this, but thats because the 91 M50 is the only real engine in the group shhh

[Alexlind123]

You are right jon i would...but a std m30...... after 5500 there isnt really much point

My m30 pulls quite nicely up to the 6000rpm shift point on the automatic. If youre losing power at 5500, there might be something restricting it...unless my car is modified and i dont know it :D

p.s. Check your distributor cap, when the distributor cap on my brother's e28 m30 needed replacing, the power dropped off at ~5200 rpm.

[Paul in NZ]

oh it will pull hard all the way to 6200 but there is less urge than at 5500

[grave77]

This is what I was going to say ... I drove 160Km speed never went down than 230Km/h ... more than 30 min ... temp was just on its place in the middle ... RPM was 6100 most of the time.

[grave77]

then this video is for you to try :) ... cuts off at 6700 but the normal oparation is upto 6500. I think the RPM meter is not accurate at high RPMs. I will take another video when I install the 6800 limit chip.

[grave77]

but u have the camshaft and valve springs that handles more RPM ... ;)

[grave77]

MP4 codec or as they said quicktime player ... I have ACEMCP601PRO.exe 44MB pack with any codec you desire ...

[grave77]

well .. with the manual tranny, 3.91diff ... still after the 5500 it still gains power ...

[grave77]

reving the engine cleans the carbon build up and also cleans the injectors due to the vaccume and pressure from the pump ... its all good for the engine ... even with carborator engines its healthy ... I rev the engine to burn rubber almost every day ...

[grave77]

I think also big injectors matters at high RPMs .. I have 3 holes type ... others have single hole.

[Interceptor]

by the way .. you have stage III Dinan on ur engine ... I'm using OEM ... this post is for those who got OEM engines and are afrade to go over 5500RPM ...

I rev my EAT-chipped M50 upto 7000 rpm on a daily basis - no problems so far.

[grave77]

I dont have a problem either :) only once when I shouted for help ... I reved it to something more than 7000 closer to 7800 maybe ... I almost broke a rocker but it only opened up the adjustment wheel wider.

[Scott H]

Let's try to set up a webcast....do you have a webcam? We will put the accelerator pedal to the floor and hold it there for as long as possible....



then this video is for you to try :) ... cuts off at 6700 but the normal oparation is upto 6500. I think the RPM meter is not accurate at high RPMs. I will take another video when I install the 6800 limit chip.

[Scott H]

is close to full warm when you do this everyday! You run that thing too hard before things fully warm up and you could really start wearing critical things in odd ways. It won't kill it right away, but over time you can end up with problems.



reving the engine cleans the carbon build up and also cleans the injectors due to the vaccume and pressure from the pump ... its all good for the engine ... even with carborator engines its healthy ... I rev the engine to burn rubber almost every day ...

[Jon K]

I dont have a problem either :) only once when I shouted for help ... I reved it to something more than 7000 closer to 7800 maybe ... I almost broke a rocker but it only opened up the adjustment wheel wider.

Haha what are you talking about?! You reved it to 7000 or closer to 7800...

what?!

Stop being silly. If you do it just right, rev it to "7800" and get out in front of the car, grab a baseballl glove, you can play catch with the pistons.


Also: Of course the temp is in the middle. You could practically run it without coolant at that speed. Joking, but thats the point.

[632 Regal]

Scott, Barrys ambient temperature over there is like 140F in the shade, wouldnt take more than a turn of the key to get the oil to operating temp.

I disagree that reving ANY engine in neutral without load is good.

[grave77]

the problem is that I live in a building on the 21st floor ... my WiFi doesnt reach to the G floor too ... BUT ... why do you want this all ... just to find which engine will blow first? also who's the referee? I think MarkD should be ...

[Scott H]

I just think it's interesting that you would rev your car to the limiter and bounce it a few times just for grins....probably not the best practice, as Jeff says, without a load on it.....

...but since you seem okay with the idea I was going to try to find out how comfortable you really are.....especially with rev limiters that have been raised from factory spec :D



the problem is that I live in a building on the 21st floor ... my WiFi doesnt reach to the G floor too ... BUT ... why do you want this all ... just to find which engine will blow first? also who's the referee? I think MarkD should be ...

[Jon K]

I just think it's interesting that you would rev your car to the limiter and bounce it a few times just for grins....probably not the best practice, as Jeff says, without a load on it.....

...but since you seem okay with the idea I was going to try to find out how comfortable you really are.....especially with rev limiters that have been raised from factory spec :D


First one to 15,000 rpm wins.

[Incantation]

why would you guys even abuse the engine anyway.. it's not like the car is fast to begin with. and realistically, that extra 1 thousand rpm or whatever makes no difference because you are past both the torque and hp peak..

i like to baby mine, shrug

[Scott H]

I just took a look at your cardomain website....

How are you going to go about mating a 6-spd from an E39 540 up to your M30 in the 535?

Also...post some pics of the 850....it looks like calypso....my favorite red.


Things to come:
this spring I will install a turbo/intercooler. Will give it about 100more hp to the wheel at low boost; enough to keep up with e39 m5. Once my tranny goes I will mate it with a 6 speed transmission from an e39 540i.

I am debating a widebody kit. not sure anymore though.

I would also like to lower the car more, and I am consider air suspension so that I can literally park it on the ground when not driving

[Scott H]

I thought revving the engine to the limiter and bouncing it a few times was pretty silly. Especially since the rev limiter is RAISED with the chip. I wanted to figure out exactly how far grave would go. I mean, if it's so safe to do it often, then why not just go for gold??? The truth is I have nothing to lose from my end.....the M50 in my 525iT is a throw away as far as I'm concerned. The engine is useable but tired, and the tranny is completely shot. I am rebuilding the M30 from my wrecked 535 and putting it in the wagon in early Jan.

Was my challenge stupid.......yes, completely
Was it all a waste of time......yes, completely

I was just trying to connect with the current crowd a bit more than I was last week.... :D

By all means, if the challenge must go on, I'm game. I wouldn't make a proposal if I could not follow through! :D


why would you guys even abuse the engine anyway.. it's not like the car is fast to begin with. and realistically, that extra 1 thousand rpm or whatever makes no difference because you are past both the torque and hp peak..

i like to baby mine, shrug

[Jon K]

I thought revving the engine to the limiter and bouncing it a few times was pretty silly. Especially since the rev limiter is RAISED with the chip. I wanted to figure out exactly how far grave would go. I mean, if it's so safe to do it often, then why not just go for gold??? The truth is I have nothing to lose from my end.....the M50 in my 525iT is a throw away as far as I'm concerned. The engine is useable but tired, and the tranny is completely shot. I am rebuilding the M30 from my wrecked 535 and putting it in the wagon in early Jan.

Was my challenge stupid.......yes, completely
Was it all a waste of time......yes, completely

I was just trying to connect with the current crowd a bit more than I was last week.... :D

By all means, if the challenge must go on, I'm game. I wouldn't make a proposal if I could not follow through! :D



Damnit scott, stop calling it a throw away. I am still buying that off of you and making my monster motor. NO RUINING IT!

[grave77]

revving to distruction :P

[grave77]

not in neutral Jeff ... with load I do .. but while stopping I don't do it always ..

[grave77]

well .. I'm not willing to trash mine yet :P ... I spent hell for paint job and front upgrade, I ordered a drive shaft from Germany too ... soon I will replace the differential gear to 3.64 or 3.15 depending on whats available ... so ... when I'm done with this engine ... I will call you for the contest :P
you want to know how far? Ask Jeff ( Regal ) hes making me a sticker with
" Far - Beyond - Death " written :P ....

[632 Regal]

speaking of stickers, I have a few to do, the hold up came from my last batch of stickers for customers that had cost me a couple hundred bux in special colors and materials...think I got a penney yet?
well .. I'm not willing to trash mine yet :P ... I spent hell for paint job and front upgrade, I ordered a drive shaft from Germany too ... soon I will replace the differential gear to 3.64 or 3.15 depending on whats available ... so ... when I'm done with this engine ... I will call you for the contest :P
you want to know how far? Ask Jeff ( Regal ) hes making me a sticker with
" Far - Beyond - Death " written :P ....

[grave77]

still ... I'm waiting for it to be done ... I sent you a message before for the payment ... email me about it so we can do it.

[Incantation]

i made that a year ago. i lost interest in modding the e34 when i bought a bike last february. forced induction and swaps were too much work/$$$ for the kind of acceleration i wanted, and it's a lot cheaper to simply get a 400lb bike with 100 hp at the wheel. it has since grown my appreciation for the car in a different respect.. i no longer see it as a performance sedan, even though it does handle ridiculously well etc; i see it as a luxury cruiser.
anyway, couple pics of the 850

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/733000-733999/733738_51_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/733000-733999/733738_52_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/733000-733999/733738_54_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/733000-733999/733738_50_full.jpg

twin-turbo is possibly in the works. then again, the new zx-10 looks mighty nice

[Jon K]

twin turbo, lawlz

[Incantation]

yup and i'll be sure to post lots of revving videos ;)


LAWLZ

[grave77]

here is another one on the highway to work ... around 4 min ... most of it was in the red zone ... sorry for the low-q of the video as it was taken by my PDA cam while driving ... right click here (http://divineftp.no-ip.org:1972/video_00007.mp4) save target as

[BigKriss]

wow Barry, you really do push your car HARD. You absolutely flew past those cars, the acceleration above 180km seemed very good. You could tell there was quite a bit of wind noise. The quality of the video was good. There's some nice stretches of flat road in Dubai.

[grave77]

thanks mate ... the accelaration is good due to the diff ( 3.91 ) I didnt need to use the 4th speed to gain accelaration all the driving was on the 5th speed. this road is narrow ... there are 4 lanes with better stretches ... maybe I will video some ... but it's hard to drive and video at the same time ... u feel like u need 4 eyes :P

[bullyd]

what program do i use to watch the vid? (mp4)

[grave77]

most guys used quicktime ... I used mediaplayer Classic ...

[632 Regal]

HOLEY ****! Thats 145mph!!!

[Jay 535i]

Nice.

Off-topic, but still fun: I once carried ~200kph for the entire length of this journey, completing it in 5 hours, including 3 fuel stops, in a rented Mini. My own little Italian Job. :D

http://www.mapquest.com/directions/europe.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&pn1x=&a1x=&c1x=&s1x=&z1x=&pn2x=&a2x=&c2x=&s2x=&z2x=&un=m&cl=EN&ct=EU&rsres=1&1y=IT&1a=&1c=amalfi&1z=&2y=IT&2a=&2c=milan&2z=

Here's a little collage I made of the trip. That's me in the upper-right corner next to the Coliseum:

http://www.moniqueandjay.com/collage.jpg

[grave77]

here (http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/ACE-Mega-CoDecS-Pack-Download-6778.html) is a link to a codec for all videos ever made on earth.

[632 Regal]

145mph and he wants less gear so he can go faster...I can pick on you now cause its sleepy time in Dubai...lol

YOUR FUC_IN CRAZY MAN!

the 3:45 gear will drop your rpms to 6000k at 145mph.

[AllGo'n'Show]

I've only ever gone 140mpg in my 7, passing cars doign 100km like they were parked is definatly an uhh.. interesting experience. Yes I got video to proove it too if your going to start hating on me :(

Can't wait for the chip and the snow to disappear.

[Jon K]

I've only ever gone 140mpg in my 7, passing cars doign 100km like they were parked is definatly an uhh.. interesting experience. Yes I got video to proove it too if your going to start hating on me :(

Can't wait for the chip and the snow to disappear.
Damn, I have trouble getting 25mpg.

[632 Regal]

i get 22 at times.

[AllGo'n'Show]

hahaha ****, mph*

I have trouble getting 17 :(

[Phatty5BMW]

Hey in town here i get 10-12 mpg, highway 17-22 ....

[motorman]

I agree paul, m30 engine in my e28 m535i manual says max permissable continous engine speed is 6000 rpm, why push harder when peak power is at 5700 in the e34 m30 with a stock cam.