my new HID setup with pics

[bahnstormer]

before

5000K HID in the low beams which were DEPO euro ellipsoids/projectors
3000K HID in the fogs which were OEM north american spec projectors from hella
all bulbs are h1 format with 35 watt HIDs

long story short one of the 3000K bulbs is messed up so while i warranty that i bought some new bulbs =]



after
5000K HID in the low beams which were DEPO euro ellipsoids/projectors
6600K HID in the fogs which were OEM north american spec projectors from hella
all bulbs are h1 format with 35 watt HIDs

here is a real close up of the cutoff pattern
i have the right side aligned a lil bit higher
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/new_hid/100_2332%20(Medium).JPG


here is same location a little further away
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/new_hid/100_2333%20(Medium).JPG


here's a nice shot giving you an idea of just how bright these are
as u can see this pic was taken well before sunset :D
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/new_hid/100_2334%20(Large).JPG

[bahnstormer]

one more shot
here u can see the HUGE difference in color temps
the 5000K look almost yellow in comparison to the fog lights
looking closely at the ground you can see different colors from
the two types of lights
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/new_hid/100_2336%20(Large).JPG

[Cactuar]

!

How did you get those angel eyes in there!

[bahnstormer]

those are the depo one's they come with angel eyes built in =]
avail on ebay

[Cactuar]

Neat, do you have a close-up of the lights?

[Scott H]

They don't look aimed at all...

Why would you want the right side higher?

[Johntee540]

Typically - you get a little more road lit up without blinding oncoming traffic by aiming the right side a little higher than the left. It is frequently done this way in Europe with the Projectors and HID - JT

[Jon K]

Theres no such thing as 6600k bulbs lol

[Scott H]

The projector cutoff ALREADY ramps up to the right as it is. The combo of the left and right lamps with cutoffs angling up to the right should provide plenty of light to the right. Also if they are aligned high enough the cutoff will spread higher and higher and glare will be obnoxious further down the road.

I have my euro lamps and HIDs aligned by the book on my M5 and don't have ANY problem with light on the right side of the road.


Typically - you get a little more road lit up without blinding oncoming traffic by aiming the right side a little higher than the left. It is frequently done this way in Europe with the Projectors and HID - JT

[Jon K]

The projector cutoff ALREADY ramps up to the right as it is. The combo of the left and right lamps with cutoffs angling up to the right should provide plenty of light to the right. Also if they are aligned high enough the cutoff will spread higher and higher and glare will be obnoxious further down the road.

I have my euro lamps and HIDs aligned by the book on my M5 and don't have ANY problem with light on the right side of the road.

Ditto

[bahnstormer]

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/hid/100_0487%20(Small).jpg

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/shoot/DSC02743%20(Small).JPG

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/shoot/DSC02744%20(Small).JPG

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/shoot/DSC02745%20(Small).JPG

[bahnstormer]

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/shoot/DSC02749%20(Small).JPG

[bahnstormer]

Theres no such thing as 6600k bulbs lol
not from hella or phillips no

but those wacky asian's invented some :D

[Jon K]

not from hella or phillips no

but those wacky asian's invented some :D


Those whacky asians get theirs from large manufacturers, they're just calling them 6600k....theyre not real

[bahnstormer]

The projector cutoff ALREADY ramps up to the right as it is. The combo of the left and right lamps with cutoffs angling up to the right should provide plenty of light to the right. Also if they are aligned high enough the cutoff will spread higher and higher and glare will be obnoxious further down the road.

I have my euro lamps and HIDs aligned by the book on my M5 and don't have ANY problem with light on the right side of the road.



i suppose they would do a good job a little lower
but when i light up a highway exit sign from WAY far
away it makes me grin :D like this

they do shoot VERY high as distances increase and its nice
around here in nj on the highways and such

alignment on the fogs is pretty much as high up the road as i could get em
to be

[bahnstormer]

Those whacky asians get theirs from large manufacturers, they're just calling them 6600k....theyre not real

yes i have imaginary bulbs in my lights
oh yah and i dont really have an e34

;)


why they called it a 6600K i'm not sure, but that's what is on
the box so i'm sticking to it

are they a little more blue (bluer?) than yours? yours are what 6k?

[Scott H]

and obnoxious to other drivers. Like I said, properly aimed, my euros + HIDs do the same thing just as good re: signage.

If I was an oncoming driver I guess I would hope you would find that exit sign and take it just to get your annoying headlights off the road in front of me.


i suppose they would do a good job a little lower
but when i light up a highway exit sign from WAY far
away it makes me grin :D like this

they do shoot VERY high as distances increase and its nice
around here in nj on the highways and such

alignment on the fogs is pretty much as high up the road as i could get em
to be

[bahnstormer]

and obnoxious to other drivers. Like I said, properly aimed, my euros + HIDs do the same thing just as good re: signage.

If I was an oncoming driver I guess I would hope you would find that exit sign and take it just to get your annoying headlights off the road in front of me.

huh? the driver side is aimed low? oncoming traffic has NEVER flashed me EVER trust me i'm not an asshat like you; if someone flashed me i'd aim them lower...


the pics make the flair look quite big i think

[Johntee540]

ummm - okay I will inform the Virgina State Inspector that used a Laser Alignment tool he did it wrong then.... Thanks for the help - JT

[Johntee540]

Your M5! However - I am confused. Your profile only lists you having a Touring as does your auto sig display....... Whats the deal?

Do you have some sort of agenda here with HID? Your entry into the thread seemed full of attitude. If you have a legitamate suggestion perhaps advancing it without the passive aggression might work better.

Just a thought. - JT

[Scott H]

Mighty nice of you! Why are you so defensive? You're not still upset that I wouldn't sell my exhaust, for which I paid almost $1200 to have made, to you for $300 are you?


huh? the driver side is aimed low? oncoming traffic has NEVER flashed me EVER trust me i'm not an asshat like you; if someone flashed me i'd aim them lower...


the pics make the flair look quite big i think

[Scott H]

alignment in your offering. You only mentioned something about aiming the right headlamp UP. That is what I was replying to. Now you are saying a state inspector aligned if high for you?

Here's your help (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html)

Does my profile have to list every car I own? I didn't know that was a rule. I also have no agenda....just think it's a bit inconsiderate to raise headlight alignment when we are already using lamps not technically designed for HID and with a cutoff not commensurate with modern HID lamp design. I was merely stating that I get great light output when my headlamps are aimed according to ECE procedure (as given in the helpful link above). Laser alignment is usually used on US code lamps using the three nipples on the lense (which you will find not present on ECE lamps).

I haven't taken many pictures of the M5 because it was a busy year but this is one of the few I have.
http://www.bimmer.info/bmw/shersted/Front.jpg


ummm - okay I will inform the Virgina State Inspector that used a Laser Alignment tool he did it wrong then.... Thanks for the help - JT

Your M5! However - I am confused. Your profile only lists you having a Touring as does your auto sig display....... Whats the deal?

Do you have some sort of agenda here with HID? Your entry into the thread seemed full of attitude. If you have a legitamate suggestion perhaps advancing it without the passive aggression might work better.

Just a thought. - JT

[Jon K]

ummm - okay I will inform the Virgina State Inspector that used a Laser Alignment tool he did it wrong then.... Thanks for the help - JT


http://www.jklasers.com/Multi_beams.jpg

LAZER BEAAAAMZ!!!



Haha, so anyway...

the Virginia State Inspector aimed your DOT-illegal headlights?!?!?!? WOWZERZ

[Jon K]

huh? the driver side is aimed low? oncoming traffic has NEVER flashed me EVER trust me i'm not an asshat like you; if someone flashed me i'd aim them lower...


the pics make the flair look quite big i think


you forgot your 37 pieces of flair

http://mirrorimageorigin.collegepublisher.com/media/paper744/stills/11246lhb.jpg

[Guapo]

I like my HID's in my Depo lights.

:shrug:

[Incantation]

lookin good.. all you need is a couple of eyebrows and you'll be set
;)

[Rory]

I like my HID's in my Depo lights.

:shrug:

Me too, they look really good. Here they are before install:

http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/57/57232/ablubslife_9007_hid.jpg

and in action:

http://e34.digital7.com/Cars/hid4.jpg

Against the wall:

http://e34.digital7.com/Cars/hid2.jpg

[Scott H]

as long as we make them look like they have glasses on, we should add eyebrows and a double chin....nothin says grandma like those three!!!!

http://www.thepartypeople.com.au/products/images/prodImages/209.jpg


lookin good.. all you need is a couple of eyebrows and you'll be set
;)

[Johntee540]

I took it to the Shop minutes after I rewired the plugs and installed the Euros while the front Grille was still off. As long as he isnt performing the state inspection he was happy to do it.

It goes to a different Inspector for State Inspection. I have had both the Euros (with illegal HID) and the Smoked Hella tails pass 3 times now. I have never had another driver flash me from the other lane.

As well I have had friends I have followed tell me there were no problems.

I think I have covered all the bases I am morally compelled to do when running a light rig such as I am.

Open to suggestions - dont mean to hijack the thread - It was originally a guy excited about his mod before it descended into the "court of HID Judgement".

"Did you BOTHER to have those aimed? They really don't look well aimed....."

a better way to state that was "Gosh - you might want to have the aim on those checked - the light cutoff on the right looks high - too me. I could be wrong but that's just my opinion"

[nuwde]

your angel eyes look so much better than the ones that i got from umnitza. mine has 4 bulbs (top, bottom, right, left) that illuminate the entire ring so it's not a solid light. i like yours. very nice and bright!


http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/shoot/DSC02749%20(Small).JPG

[willobmw]

Nice look bahnstormer.

[bahnstormer]

thanks guys


yah scott i'm still upset about that exhaust thingy =]

i'm building a bridge tho and i'll get over it hehehe

[Phatty5BMW]

Hey bahn that looks ****. How long have you had ur bimmer???

[hakwuzhere]

your angel eyes look so much better than the ones that i got from umnitza. mine has 4 bulbs (top, bottom, right, left) that illuminate the entire ring so it's not a solid light. i like yours. very nice and bright!

I thought the DEPO's were what UMNITZA was selling?... am I confused?

[TC535i]

your angel eyes look so much better than the ones that i got from umnitza. mine has 4 bulbs (top, bottom, right, left) that illuminate the entire ring so it's not a solid light. i like yours. very nice and bright!

That is what he has. Look at the pics on page 2... You can see the spots if you look closely. Without adding lens covers, you can't really get the CCFL DDE's like I have on my E36 (those are the ones that light up evenly).


http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/shoot/DSC02743%20(Small).JPG

[Booster]

Hey Bahn.....would it be rude of me to ask the total package price of those parts and maybe the time it took to finish ??
Thanks.........Vinny:D

[Cactuar]

I'm wondering the same...


Hey Bahn.....would it be rude of me to ask the total package price of those parts and maybe the time it took to finish ??
Thanks.........Vinny:D

[Jay 535i]

Any chance you could post a pic of the lights when they're off, in daylight? I'd like to know how the angel eyes look then.

[kyleN20]

hi scott

[Scott H]

I thought you were leaving.....or are you just trying to scare us?

Maybe you are trying to get your post count up?

I give up. What gives with your insightful post here?


hi scott

[kyleN20]

i though it might ease your mood, you know.
are you talking about my post about leaving the e34 community? and i might be, but as you know selling a car takes time, and finding the right replacement takes even longer, but i do have a few in mind.

i guess it just seem like you always have a problem with evey thread you post in, i thought you were going to start using more smilely faces and lol so people dont think yer an "asshat", dont worry i dont think yer an asshat.:)

[kyleN20]

ohh, and its hard for people to tell when im posting a joke like coment, so this is one of those.

[Scott H]

I felt it was no longer necessary to be a good boy.

Also....I did not say the mod was stupid....I just responded to comments about aiming the lights high. I think the euro lamps are a great look, and I drive so much at night that I felt it was a worthwhile setup for myself. I also am highly aware that the whole setup is illegal, and I try not to step on anymore toes than I already do, by keeping them aimed properly. There are a lot of documents being drafted against the use of HID lamps. Most people state the issues with them are excessive glare. Why would we want to make it harder on ourselves to obtain and use these modifications by giving the people against them more ammunition?


Open to suggestions - dont mean to hijack the thread - It was originally a guy excited about his mod before it descended into the "court of HID Judgement".

"Did you BOTHER to have those aimed? They really don't look well aimed....."

a better way to state that was "Gosh - you might want to have the aim on those checked - the light cutoff on the right looks high - too me. I could be wrong but that's just my opinion"

[Scott H]

I can confirm that I am, in fact, an asshat. I find the term a bit endearing.

I don't have a problem with every thread I post in. I just add my knowledge/experience. People usually seem to have a problem with that b/c it is not what they wanted to hear!


i guess it just seem like you always have a problem with evey thread you post in, i thought you were going to start using more smilely faces and lol so people dont think yer an "asshat", dont worry i dont think yer an asshat.:)

[kyleN20]

haha theres the spirit

[bahnstormer]

see asshat isn't as insulting as ppl make it out to be
its a great word with many levels to it

the whole setup has been decently priced.

depo off ebay are in the 200 range
each set of hids was in the 300 range, rather 300 and a lilttle change

the depos i bought really early when they first came out, and i overpaid
for them but nowadays they're readily avail

the fog housings i took from my sisters car =]

wiring it in was really easy and the main qualm was
figuring out the adapters and taking the front grill
off heheh

[TC535i]

I can confirm that I am, in fact, an asshat.

Having known Scott for a few years, I too agree that he is, in fact, an asshat. ;)

[Guapo]

Any chance you could post a pic of the lights when they're off, in daylight? I'd like to know how the angel eyes look then.

I have the same setup -

Not sure how crazy I am for the AE's, but they were shipped to me by mistake instead of Euros, so I used them.

http://www.guapozx.com/guapozx/d/3362-2/cleanbimmer.jpg
http://www.guapozx.com/guapozx/d/3359-2/bimmerwitheyes.jpg

[Jay 535i]

I have the same setup -

Not sure how crazy I am for the AE's, but they were shipped to me by mistake instead of Euros, so I used them.

Hmm, yeah, not sure about that. When off in daylight, they look kinda iffy, and, on, the four hotspots are clearly visible. Bahnstormer's nighttime shots hide that.

Not really sure now that I want the AE myself. Hmmmm. Maybe I'll start a poll.

Thanks for the pics.

Now, this asshat business... Is that ass-hat or as-shat or what? Never heard it, and I know my way around UK slang pretty well, hosers (that's Canadian slang for y'all) ;)

[kyleN20]

haha you said it not me:)

[Jon K]

Open to suggestions - dont mean to hijack the thread - It was originally a guy excited about his mod before it descended into the "court of HID Judgement".

"Did you BOTHER to have those aimed? They really don't look well aimed....."

a better way to state that was "Gosh - you might want to have the aim on those checked - the light cutoff on the right looks high - too me. I could be wrong but that's just my opinion"


Perhaps we would have said that.... if it were opinion. Go ahead and find ECE headlight aiming charts and they will confiirm, in fact, that both headlights are to be level. The very nature of __/ __/ cutoff pattern lights the right side higher - you dont aim the right side higher ADDITIONALLY. Its not opinion, it's fact.

[willobmw]

I finally received all my electrical components (4300k H1 rebased bulbs and harnesses) to do my HID conversion today. I will be using Hella Generation 3 ballast. Everthing will be plug and play, hopefully without any message codes.
I just need to either fab or take a visit to the stealer for some brackets and I will be set. I should have everthing installed sometime next week.
I will try and post some pictures. I may need some help from the more recent college grads in the family.
As Christmas day slowly closes in upon us, everybody take time out to catch your breath and reflect on all your blessings and to help the less fornunate when you can.
Happy Holidays,
Willobmw

[liquidtiger720]

hmm....


I'm decently satisfied with my hid setup... cost me about $350 for everything. I just wish the depo's had sharper cutoffs.

[nuwde]

well ok i do see the "hotspots" now in all these pics. i wish they weren't there. however, i love my setup overall because the HIDs make a big difference.

[Incantation]

asshat.. nerd.. whatever works

[Gayle]

Definition of asshat (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asshat)

.

[Johntee540]

But seriously - can you post a pic of how your light patterns on a garage door so I can get a good idea of what your cutoff and alignment look like compared to mine? - JT

[Johntee540]

with the approach. Soft skills may not be your forte' - JT

[Johntee540]

But fair enough - santa doesnt bring presents anymore. - JT

[Johntee540]

to make your point and gain agreement while still stating fact. Passive agression will elicit a defensive response. Gentle persuasion is more convincing and effective.

I am merely trying to make some suggestions that can increase the civility on the board. Hey- I have no dog in this fight. I feel I have done enough to ensure I am not one of the Xenon Light Warriors on the highway (Although - I will review Stern site again this weekend)

I would just hate to see this board become like the surly, ugly, unpleasant, nasty place that Roadfly has become where its more important to be RIGHT! than helpful.

I have seen you guys post here before and I have to believe that you feel the same way. I will now step off the soapbox and hope for the best. Thanks - JT

[bahnstormer]

found this old pic from way long ago

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/angel%20eyes.jpg

[Incantation]

that looks ridiculous. they're like those "halo" lights for camaros

[MTechnik540i]

before

5000K HID in the low beams which were DEPO euro ellipsoids/projectors
3000K HID in the fogs which were OEM north american spec projectors from hella
all bulbs are h1 format with 35 watt HIDs

long story short one of the 3000K bulbs is messed up so while i warranty that i bought some new bulbs =]



after
5000K HID in the low beams which were DEPO euro ellipsoids/projectors
6600K HID in the fogs which were OEM north american spec projectors from hella
all bulbs are h1 format with 35 watt HIDs

here is a real close up of the cutoff pattern
i have the right side aligned a lil bit higher
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/new_hid/100_2332%20(Medium).JPG


here is same location a little further away
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/new_hid/100_2333%20(Medium).JPG


here's a nice shot giving you an idea of just how bright these are
as u can see this pic was taken well before sunset :D
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~szwarc/e34/new_hid/100_2334%20(Large).JPG


So, do you have any messages showing up on the OBC?

[grave77]

I like them look the same height ... pisses me off to see on higher even if it's a standard ... I'm thinking of opening the liver just like I did before with my old lights ... that the light will have nothing to block it before the lens

[bahnstormer]

post pics if u do try that
i think it might be too unfocused but i've never seen it done