For those of you who still have R-12 A/C...

[Wes F]

If you want to buy freon legally and not get raped by a shop, get epa certified. Check this website out:
http://www.macsw.org/certification.php

I just did it and it's a piece of cake. You can download a 40-page study guide, pay 15 bucks and download a 25 question test, which you have 90 days to finish at your leisure (using your study guide to find answers).

Submit it online and instantly get your score and if you passed, get your temporary certificate (hard copy will be mailed). Now you can go out and buy as much r-12 as you like, you're now epa certified!

Thank you winfred for providing this info, without you I would have no idea this was possible. It's so nice to buy R-12 for the same price as R134. Just thought I'd share. :)

[Michael999]

wow thats really cool!

[DanDombrowski]

Dude! I wish I had known about this before I converted my Volvo to R134a. Oh well, over and done with, and I don't have any more R12 cars.

Thanks for the info anyway!

[Ross]

Great loophole but who can afford the R12? Who is offering R12 for 134A price??? You can buy a CAR for the price of a 20 pounder of R12!
With the price of 134A having nearly doubled in the last couple of years I'm thinking of hoarding it as a retirment fund.

[Bill R.]

buy it now for about 29 a 12 ounce can. And r134a has come way down in price again. The price spike was supposedly due to a fire at one of the largest US suppliers of it. Last sunday i picked up a case as Sam's club for 34 dollars for 12 cans, thats less than 3 a can. I can also buy a 30 pounder not 20 pounder of r12 for around 685 right now.




Great loophole but who can afford the R12? Who is offering R12 for 134A price??? You can buy a CAR for the price of a 20 pounder of R12!
With the price of 134A having nearly doubled in the last couple of years I'm thinking of hoarding it as a retirment fund.

[Ross]

30 right, thinking propane here I guess. $685 is about my current car budget though.
Off to Sam's today for 134A. I've been paying ~8 bucks for 12oz. cans.
Any experience with the other refrigerants offered as R12 replacements?

[Bill R.]

frigc. I like Freeze 12, its available from checker autor for about 9.99 a can but it requires certification to purchase it.




30 right, thinking propane here I guess. $685 is about my current car budget though.
Off to Sam's today for 134A. I've been paying ~8 bucks for 12oz. cans.
Any experience with the other refrigerants offered as R12 replacements?

[M5Greg]

frigc. I like Freeze 12, its available from checker autor for about 9.99 a can but it requires certification to purchase it.

Are you sure about the certification. I just bought a kit on ebay with Freeze 12 and certification was never mentioned. The seller had thousands of sales in the last year with 100% approval.

Greg S.

[Bill R.]

that. Section 608 certified people can buy small quantities for use in small appliances without certifictation. Section 609 which is what automotive use falls under can not. You have to be certified to buy under 609 usage. Here's the page straight from the epa





Are you sure about the certification. I just bought a kit on ebay with Freeze 12 and certification was never mentioned. The seller had thousands of sales in the last year with 100% approval.

Greg S.

[Bill R.]

the makers of freeze 12 and read the bottom line
(http://www.technicalchemical.com/pdf-files/techtip1.pdf)





that. Section 608 certified people can buy small quantities for use in small appliances without certifictation. Section 609 which is what automotive use falls under can not. You have to be certified to buy under 609 usage. Here's the page straight from the epa