PDA

View Full Version : Replacing Rear Shock Mounts... Procedure.



e34.535i.sport
10-26-2007, 06:20 PM
REAR SHOCK MOUNT REPLACEMENT.

Failure signs: I had a bad intermittent knocking sound from the rear (high up) when driving over rough surfaces. Also an occasional loud PING when coming off curbs etc. :(

Benefits of replacement: I got rid of the nasty and somewhat embarrassing knocking noises and the PING. I also noticed a firmer feeling from the back end when cornering and the OBC is stating a higher MPG generally now... ???! :D

TOOLS
Ok, first things first tools required for the job... (Optionals marked with a *)

+ Ratchet (preferrably 1/2" but i managed with 3/8") and various sockets.
+ Breaker bar.
+ Jack/Axel stands.
+ Mole-grip pliers or similar.
+ Gear Puller * (Almost essential though!)
+ Large flat head Screwdriver.
+ Spring compressor.
+ Various spanners (13mm-19mm)

PARTS

Obviously you will need the new mountings to replace the old ones with and i also replaced the spring pads and additional shock absorber (rubbery thing on the shock itelf). I used Dealer parts (rather expensive) but there are lots of good alternatives out there [EUROCARPARTS/GSF/BMA/ETC].

PROCEDURE

REMOVE THE SEAT...
You will need to take off the rear seat for access to the mounting bolts at the top of the shock. Start by removing the bottom part of the seat -pull up sharply on both sides to release it. Move it out the way and find the two plastic nuts that hold the bottom left and bottom right side of the top half of the seat. Undo these. There should be two more plastic nuts behind the middle armrest - pull it forward and undo these. Now you need to lift out the two headrests and use the screwdriver to undo and remove the two plastic mounts for the headrests. All you need to do now is unclip the two seatbelt carriers near the top of the seat and move the seatbelts round and remove the seat. Now what i done was put the bottom part of the seat back in place so i could use it later.

Also remove the little plastic clips that keep the parcel shelf down, and if you like remove the shelf... I kept it on but propped it up.

JACK UP THE CAR...
Jack it up on one side (my preference) and take the wheel off. Always use jack stands for safety reasons bla bla bla... Seriously though i do.

REMOVE THE LOWER MOUNTING BOLT...
After taking the wheel off have a look on the trailing arm and examine where the shock is attached to it. There's one bolt, its a big one you can't miss it. you need to loosen and remove this bolt using the breaker bar and then ratchet with the appropriate socket. There should be plenty of space.

GET THE SHOCK OFF THE TRAILING ARM...
This could take a loooooonnnnng time. At first I tried to push it off with just my hands, that wasn't happening. I briefly attempted hammering it off and that got me nowhere and if you're reusing your shock you don't want to damage it. This is where a GEAR PULLER (£13.99 from halfords etc) comes in VERY handy (Thanks Dave!). If you buy one of these you won't regret it, makes short work of removing the shock from the trailing arm. Simply hook it up and put a small socket in the hole where the bolt was to take up some space. A lot of people on this board seem to recommend supporting the trailing arm with another jack but i didn't find this necessary, but it doesn't do any harm either. Make up your own mind. Once you have got the lower end off the trailing arm you are in business.

Example gear puller...
https://sslrelay.com/buypartsby.co.uk/sealey/AK78.JPG

GET THE TOP END OFF...
Firstly, you will want to place the bottom end of the shock on the trailing arm again just a little, to save it falling down later. You may need to force down on the trailing arm a little to get the shock back on. (you will easily be able to push it off by hand later.
Now get into the back of the car and have a look at the top mounting point. There will be a big rubbery thing on top of it... pull this off. Now get the big spherical rubber peice off the top - its a bit of a b*tch to get off but persevere. Once you have that off you can see three nuts and a plate in the centre with a big bolt going though it with a nut on top (don't tough this one). Undo the three surrounding nuts and get out of the car and push the shock off the trailing arm and hold onto it as it should fall down (mine did). Some people report having to hit the top end with a hammer to release it, this may be necessary for you.

REPLACING THE MOUNTINGS...
Now that the shock is off the car you must use the spring compressor to remove the pressure from the mounting and the top nut. Be very careful while doing this (goes without saying) as it is a dangerous procedure. Some people get welding wire and twist that around some of the coils for added security. I didn't bother and had no problems. If you take your time you'll be fine, just don't rush it. Once the spring is adequately compressed you will be able to move the upper mounting around.
Now, to undo the top nut you have to use the mole grips to grab the flat part of the shock right at the top and use a spanner to turn the nut. If you don't grab the top the shock will just spin with the nut. Remove the nut and the mounting and any other peices you are replacing (note the order and placement) and put them back on in the correct order. Make sure the end of the spring meets up with the end of the upper spring pad - you'll know what i mean when you have it in front of you. If you get stuck REALOEM.COM has some great pictures to look at that may help.
Tighten the top nut up to the correct torque - 22nm (i think - someone correct me if i'm wrong), and take off the spring compressor.

REPLACE THE SHOCK.
Feed the three top bolts up through the holes at the top and push the shock back onto the mounting on the trailing arm (a bit tricky). If the trailing arm seems too high i pushed down on the caliper and it helped me get it on. Otherwise some people have said it can help to remove the rear pitman arm (replace it while there if you are). Now tighten up the bolts on top to 22nm (i think - any advances?). For the lower mounting bolt you need to torque this up while under load and for me, it didn't look possible (on the driveway!). I'm not sure if this is the best way to do it but i jacked up under the trailing arm so it was at normal ride height and torqed the bolt then let it back down (135nm i think).

Put the wheel on, lower the car and get over to the other side and do it again!

AFTERWARDS...
I couldn't beleive the difference it made, the hard work was SO worth it. The rear end is now silent over bumpy surfaces and feels much more stable. I am also getting better fuel economy according to the OBC but i'm not sure if this is correct... If not the timing and sudden change in MPG numbers as soon as i changed the mounts is a strange coincidence.

Have a look at the old ones:

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/6/10/26/f_IMG0257m_e9d5fe5.jpg

http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/6/10/26/f_IMG0265m_ad5c2b9.jpg

PLEASE NOTE: By no means is this the only way to do this job, or even the best way its just the way i found easiest and hopefully others will find it of some use. If you have anything to add that may be helpful feel free!

shogun
10-26-2007, 06:31 PM
Excellent write-up, thank you.
Need more of these contributions from other members.

I have never seen so bad ones, that was really time to change.

e34.535i.sport
10-26-2007, 06:44 PM
Hey thanks shogun, got a some others i've been meaning to do but haven't had chance. Might roll a couple out over the weekend! :D

Brandon J
10-26-2007, 06:55 PM
Very nice putting that together!!!

Dave M
10-26-2007, 07:38 PM
Wow, those were toast. For some reason those suckers collect rust like nobodies business (likely lower quality alloy).

Thanks for the write up,

Dave

Barney Paull-Edwards
10-26-2007, 10:45 PM
Good post mate! Some from loserama may be laughing a bit but you did well without power tools. I would only add that taking off one end of the Anti-roll bar makes life easier by allowing the trailing arm to go lower.

e34.535i.sport
10-27-2007, 02:56 AM
Thanks guys - its more to help the first timers like myself who haven't got a clue! ;)

Barney, you've just opened my eyes a little bit there - i wandered why my trailing arm went up instead of down and it just clicked when i read your post! Ha ha ha, :) .

Ferret
10-27-2007, 03:04 AM
Holy crap, they were shot to **** mate, nice write up - well done!

repenttokyo
10-27-2007, 07:42 AM
is there a way to check if they are still good or not without removing the rear seat?

zmuff
10-27-2007, 08:08 AM
Excellent post! Getting ready to do mine and you have now answered my questions about the little details. I don't know if mine will be as bad as yours, but they sure do make all of the same sounds! Thanks for the writeup!!!

e34.535i.sport
10-27-2007, 09:22 AM
is there a way to check if they are still good or not without removing the rear seat?

You can put your hand up inside the wheel well and feel around the top of the shock... There was pretty much nothing there on mine and it was breaking off in my hand! Now with the new ones i can see the shiny metal from under the wheel well so have a visual inspection too. When i looked from inside the car they looked fine, so it can be deceiving.

wingman
11-16-2007, 02:04 AM
Further advice:
1. when replacing the seat back be sure to get it right or you will have an ugly gap between the seat back and the rear shelf.
2. The nylon nuts for the seat back are delicate so don't over tighten on replacement.
3. There is no need to remove the rear shelf to peform this procedure.
4. No need to make a special tool to remove the lower strut bolt. A screwdriver will suffice.
5. Change all load bearing bolts as a matter of course (recommended in Bentley)
6. Your new mounts should come with new nuts so check this before ordering from BMW.
7. Change the gaskets between the mount and the body (cheap).
8. You cannot check the condition of the mounts without removing the rear seat (unless you want to damage the rear shelf). Mine were installed by Hans or Heinrich or someone else in the factory in 1989 and had 193,000kms on them and looked fine.

Pics to come

wingman
11-16-2007, 02:10 AM
Strut out
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c301/wingman_1968/complete.jpg
old'bump stop' + new one
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c301/wingman_1968/beforeafter.jpg
new parts ready to go in
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c301/wingman_1968/newparts.jpg

wingman
11-16-2007, 02:22 AM
Some may question my use of Bilstein 'TC' shocks. I wanted a 'factory ride' and these were recommended by BMA as very similar to the factory Boge but were cheaper. I couldn't be happier with the result.

One further tip: To get the lower mount bolt in I got a friend to stand on the trailing arm while I lined up the bolt. If you release the hand brake you should get a few inches more play.

e34.535i.sport
11-17-2007, 01:30 PM
Further advice:
1. when replacing the seat back be sure to get it right or you will have an ugly gap between the seat back and the rear shelf.
2. The nylon nuts for the seat back are delicate so don't over tighten on replacement.
3. There is no need to remove the rear shelf to peform this procedure.
4. No need to make a special tool to remove the lower strut bolt. A screwdriver will suffice.
5. Change all load bearing bolts as a matter of course (recommended in Bentley)
6. Your new mounts should come with new nuts so check this before ordering from BMW.
7. Change the gaskets between the mount and the body (cheap).
8. You cannot check the condition of the mounts without removing the rear seat (unless you want to damage the rear shelf). Mine were installed by Hans or Heinrich or someone else in the factory in 1989 and had 193,000kms on them and looked fine.

Pics to come

Some good tips there thanks Wingman...

I would have to say though (on #4) no screwdriver in the world could have removed the bottom end of the strut and i'm strong compared to most people (not blowing my own trumpet), and others have found this to be seriously difficult. A gear puller is definitely the way to go so thanks to Dave M for that little gem!

Also (on #8) you can visually inspect the bottom end of the mounts by looking up inside the wheel well, and get your hand up and feel them. I conducted a visual inspection from above by removing the seat and parcel shelf and they looked fine. When i went underneath and had a look and felt around i could tell they were shot. Mine did have 152,000miles (243,200km) on though so it wasn't too much of a shock! :p

ktteoh
11-19-2007, 08:43 AM
is meyle a reliable replacement brands in terms of
robustness and longevity?


REAR SHOCK MOUNT REPLACEMENT.

Failure signs: I had a bad intermittent knocking sound from the rear (high up) when driving over rough surfaces. Also an occasional loud PING when coming off curbs etc. :(

Benefits of replacement: I got rid of the nasty and somewhat embarrassing knocking noises and the PING. I also noticed a firmer feeling from the back end when cornering and the OBC is stating a higher MPG generally now... ???! :D

TOOLS
Ok, first things first tools required for the job... (Optionals marked with a *)

+ Ratchet (preferrably 1/2" but i managed with 3/8") and various sockets.
+ Breaker bar.
+ Jack/Axel stands.
+ Mole-grip pliers or similar.
+ Gear Puller * (Almost essential though!)
+ Large flat head Screwdriver.
+ Spring compressor.
+ Various spanners (13mm-19mm)

PARTS

Obviously you will need the new mountings to replace the old ones with and i also replaced the spring pads and additional shock absorber (rubbery thing on the shock itelf). I used Dealer parts (rather expensive) but there are lots of good alternatives out there [EUROCARPARTS/GSF/BMA/ETC].

PROCEDURE

REMOVE THE SEAT...
You will need to take off the rear seat for access to the mounting bolts at the top of the shock. Start by removing the bottom part of the seat -pull up sharply on both sides to release it. Move it out the way and find the two plastic nuts that hold the bottom left and bottom right side of the top half of the seat. Undo these. There should be two more plastic nuts behind the middle armrest - pull it forward and undo these. Now you need to lift out the two headrests and use the screwdriver to undo and remove the two plastic mounts for the headrests. All you need to do now is unclip the two seatbelt carriers near the top of the seat and move the seatbelts round and remove the seat. Now what i done was put the bottom part of the seat back in place so i could use it later.

Also remove the little plastic clips that keep the parcel shelf down, and if you like remove the shelf... I kept it on but propped it up.

JACK UP THE CAR...
Jack it up on one side (my preference) and take the wheel off. Always use jack stands for safety reasons bla bla bla... Seriously though i do.

REMOVE THE LOWER MOUNTING BOLT...
After taking the wheel off have a look on the trailing arm and examine where the shock is attached to it. There's one bolt, its a big one you can't miss it. you need to loosen and remove this bolt using the breaker bar and then ratchet with the appropriate socket. There should be plenty of space.

GET THE SHOCK OFF THE TRAILING ARM...
This could take a loooooonnnnng time. At first I tried to push it off with just my hands, that wasn't happening. I briefly attempted hammering it off and that got me nowhere and if you're reusing your shock you don't want to damage it. This is where a GEAR PULLER (£13.99 from halfords etc) comes in VERY handy (Thanks Dave!). If you buy one of these you won't regret it, makes short work of removing the shock from the trailing arm. Simply hook it up and put a small socket in the hole where the bolt was to take up some space. A lot of people on this board seem to recommend supporting the trailing arm with another jack but i didn't find this necessary, but it doesn't do any harm either. Make up your own mind. Once you have got the lower end off the trailing arm you are in business.

Example gear puller...
https://sslrelay.com/buypartsby.co.uk/sealey/AK78.JPG

GET THE TOP END OFF...
Firstly, you will want to place the bottom end of the shock on the trailing arm again just a little, to save it falling down later. You may need to force down on the trailing arm a little to get the shock back on. (you will easily be able to push it off by hand later.
Now get into the back of the car and have a look at the top mounting point. There will be a big rubbery thing on top of it... pull this off. Now get the big spherical rubber peice off the top - its a bit of a b*tch to get off but persevere. Once you have that off you can see three nuts and a plate in the centre with a big bolt going though it with a nut on top (don't tough this one). Undo the three surrounding nuts and get out of the car and push the shock off the trailing arm and hold onto it as it should fall down (mine did). Some people report having to hit the top end with a hammer to release it, this may be necessary for you.

REPLACING THE MOUNTINGS...
Now that the shock is off the car you must use the spring compressor to remove the pressure from the mounting and the top nut. Be very careful while doing this (goes without saying) as it is a dangerous procedure. Some people get welding wire and twist that around some of the coils for added security. I didn't bother and had no problems. If you take your time you'll be fine, just don't rush it. Once the spring is adequately compressed you will be able to move the upper mounting around.
Now, to undo the top nut you have to use the mole grips to grab the flat part of the shock right at the top and use a spanner to turn the nut. If you don't grab the top the shock will just spin with the nut. Remove the nut and the mounting and any other peices you are replacing (note the order and placement) and put them back on in the correct order. Make sure the end of the spring meets up with the end of the upper spring pad - you'll know what i mean when you have it in front of you. If you get stuck REALOEM.COM has some great pictures to look at that may help.
Tighten the top nut up to the correct torque - 22nm (i think - someone correct me if i'm wrong), and take off the spring compressor.

REPLACE THE SHOCK.
Feed the three top bolts up through the holes at the top and push the shock back onto the mounting on the trailing arm (a bit tricky). If the trailing arm seems too high i pushed down on the caliper and it helped me get it on. Otherwise some people have said it can help to remove the rear pitman arm (replace it while there if you are). Now tighten up the bolts on top to 22nm (i think - any advances?). For the lower mounting bolt you need to torque this up while under load and for me, it didn't look possible (on the driveway!). I'm not sure if this is the best way to do it but i jacked up under the trailing arm so it was at normal ride height and torqed the bolt then let it back down (135nm i think).

Put the wheel on, lower the car and get over to the other side and do it again!

AFTERWARDS...
I couldn't beleive the difference it made, the hard work was SO worth it. The rear end is now silent over bumpy surfaces and feels much more stable. I am also getting better fuel economy according to the OBC but i'm not sure if this is correct... If not the timing and sudden change in MPG numbers as soon as i changed the mounts is a strange coincidence.

Have a look at the old ones:

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/6/10/26/f_IMG0257m_e9d5fe5.jpg

http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/6/10/26/f_IMG0265m_ad5c2b9.jpg

PLEASE NOTE: By no means is this the only way to do this job, or even the best way its just the way i found easiest and hopefully others will find it of some use. If you have anything to add that may be helpful feel free!

e34.535i.sport
11-19-2007, 03:32 PM
I hear Meyle parts make reliable parts generally, as do Lemfoeder (however the hell you spell it!). Wherever i can i use dealer parts to be honest, but cost can be an issue. I got both rear mounts, additional 'bump stop', spring pads and nuts etc for about £80 i think.

Black 535i
11-19-2007, 05:28 PM
...regarding this procedure. I am planning on doing it this weekend after reading about it and feeling the ass end of the wander and rattle. Do I need to use a spring compressor at all if I am just replacing the shock mounts and gasket beneath them? It does not seem to be necessary. Diagram indicates that all I need to do is lower the shock out of the way and the reinstall after doing the mounts.

e34.535i.sport
11-20-2007, 11:10 AM
Yes you will need a spring compressor to get the mount off the shock as the top nut holds the mount onto it. The mount will come out attached to the shock when you remove it. I thought the same when i was about to do the job to be honest.

Black 535i
11-20-2007, 08:04 PM
.

Black 535i
11-24-2007, 06:09 PM
Took about two hours and the shocks just slid right off the lower mounts. Had the mounts and shocks changed 5 years ago when I bought the car bit realized today that they never changed the bump stops. What a mess they were. Driving around on broken stops for who knows how long. The old mounts did not look that bad visually under the deck but when taken off they were quite split. Explains the wandering rear end of the last week or so. Hardest part was lining up the shock lower with the bolt hole at the reinstall but no other najor issues.

Thanks for all the help on your writeup here as it did save some time and effort. Car drives like new now! Now to do the front control arms in the next few weeks as well. Thanks to BMA as well for the great prices and help over the phone as to what other things to order when doing this. Costs was a total of $105.00 shipped to Evanston, IL. Local dealer wanted $95.00 per side just for the mount!!! Take a hike dealer boy!

e34.535i.sport
11-25-2007, 09:33 AM
Hey there glad it went well! If you need any advice on the lower control arms just let us know! Its pretty straight forward but there are differing opinions on the way to do it. Get yourself one of these before you attempt it though...

http://www.saab9000.com/procedures/suspension/images/steering/sttrackrod.jpg

Black 535i
11-25-2007, 09:06 PM
I have a friend half a block away with air impact wrenches and pickle forks. That should be all I require from what I read. Doesn't seem to be too complicated as far as removal is concerned. Big difference in the way the rear holds and sounds now. Unfortunately it magnifies the front end issues so I want to get that done soon.

BMWCCA1
11-27-2007, 03:17 PM
I just got back in from checking my rear shock mounts; bad as expected! The bushing is loose in the rubber and bits of rubber are everywhere. Unfortunatley I didn't have any parts, just an exploratory mission. Not too much more difficult with rear headrests, just have to remove them and the plastic plate at the top of the back seat. Seems like the last guy who put the shocks in (previous owner's period of ownership) ripped out the studs under the armrest, if that's what was there, and replaced one side with a large screw. I'll have to fabricate a speed-nut slot there or something. Just knowing it's not right is mildly disturbing. Anyone know of any stronger mounts for those with lowered suspensions who really push the car over less-than-smooth pavement all the time? RealOEM calls for 33521132270 for my car, and it's the same part under "sport chassis". Can't tell if the M5 parts are better or even if they'll fit since they're specific to the self-leveling suspension. Anyone used anything else?

Triton540i
12-18-2007, 02:18 PM
Just Don't forget about the special washer that goes between the upper mount and nuts that hold the assembly together... I over looked that awhile ago and this is what happened!!!!

http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/242753

DOH!

BMWCCA1
12-18-2007, 04:31 PM
Thanks for the info but mine looks close to that and the washer is still in place. Did you replace the mounts when you put the new shocks in or are they still the originals? If you replaced it, what brand was it?

The washer really doesn't spread the load over the rubber bushing on compression, which is the worst force on the bushing. It may do it to some extent on rebound or under lifting but somehow I don't think those are the dynamics that tear the bushings. I'll post pics of mine when they come out hopefully next month. Too much going on around Christmas to get much car work done.

Triton540i
12-23-2007, 05:12 PM
Thanks for the info but mine looks close to that and the washer is still in place. Did you replace the mounts when you put the new shocks in or are they still the originals? If you replaced it, what brand was it?

The washer really doesn't spread the load over the rubber bushing on compression, which is the worst force on the bushing. It may do it to some extent on rebound or under lifting but somehow I don't think those are the dynamics that tear the bushings. I'll post pics of mine when they come out hopefully next month. Too much going on around Christmas to get much car work done.

I ended up going to the local hardware store and purchased a couple heavy duty washers to use as a temporary fix with used, undamaged mounts. I'm going to be replacing them with new mounts in the spring along with the factory washers. There wasn't anything to disperse the energy across the mount and that's why it ripped though in the first place.

-Eric

BMWCCA1
01-12-2008, 07:26 PM
Okay, I replaced my rear shock mounts today and I can tell you they will wear out quickly with or without the washers, though the washers are important as are the cup washers under the mount. My car had Meyle replacements from the previous owner's installation of Racing Dynamics springs. The Meyle mounts were mush, the bushing broken out of the rubber, and the rubber literally melted into a pool from the bushing moving in and out. Both upper and lower washers were in place correctly. I replaced the mounts with Meyle Heavy Duty versions from Steve Haygood. These are supposed to have a tapered bushing that resists pulling out of the rubber better. We'll see. I'll post pictures of the new and old mounts as soon as I'm back on my own computer. The washers do distribute the load and are required and they also sandwich the bushing and keep it from coming completely out of the mount once the rubber lets go.

I thought this car was a little noisy in the back over bumps but always attributed it to the 17" wheels w/45-series tires and the Racing Dynamic springs, but I was wrong. It was most likely just the rear mounts going bad all along. The new HD Meyles are quiet and the car is a pleasure to drive over bad pavement where before it was a constant pounding that eventually turned into a rattle and a squeak. If you have any doubts about your rear mounts, check them by taking your seat out and removing the top washer. My best estimate is that the previous owner replaced the originals around 80k and that the "normal" Meyles lasted less than 50k. I'll have pics, prices, part numbers, and a cheap spring compressor recommendation posted soon. Of the very few things I've had to attend to on this car in my 22,000 miles of hard driving, this is a really effective repair with a big benefit and improvement. If your E34 is a bit clunky in the rear over bumps and rough road surfaces, you might want to check it out.

BMWCCA1
01-16-2008, 12:50 PM
Here are photos to accompany my rear shock-mount replacement. The first shows the condition of the old mount compared to the new one, from the bottom. The next shows it from the top. The third photo shows the part label from the Meyle bushing which fairly melted after perhaps 50k miles of use (right) compared to the part number for the new Heavy Duty Meyle bushing (left) as received from Steve Haygood's Automobile Solutions (http://www.stevehaygood.com).

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/BMWCCA1/DSC_0716.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/BMWCCA1/DSC_0718.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/BMWCCA1/DSC_0720.jpg

And this is the spring compressor I used, Ampro T70570; about $30 from AdvanceAuto. My large "scissors" set for front struts wouldn't fit.
http://www.amprotools.net/product_images/T70570.jpg

MRMuaz
02-11-2008, 07:33 AM
Hi, This post of mine is very knowledgable and may enhance the information of the viewers , however I would like some specific information for myself. If someone can help me then please send me a private message. Best Regards,