Ferret
06-29-2008, 08:02 AM
Basically a clutch job on a v8 is very straightforward, if a little long - winded.
It drops into 5 steps:
1) Remove Exhaust system
2) Drop propshaft and remove clutch slave
3) Lower engine onto support
4) Pull gearbox off back of engine
5) Remove clutch (and flywheel if you need to)
1) Exhaust system:
Seems an easy task, but may possibly be one of the longer winded processes here.
Pull all the manifold-cat fixings - these range from 12-13 mm - however they rust extremely badly, so you'll need to hammer a 12mm onto most of the outer fixings. Remove the cross brace off the back of the gearbox, 13mm spanner required due to the limited access
Prop the underside of the centre box, not the cats - the centre box is the centre of gravity on the whole system.
Unhook both centre rubber mounts
Drop the locking bolts out of the back box, make sure you've got something underneath to prop it with.
At this point you'll need an assistant with a BFH under the front of the car, while you grab the tail pipes and yank. The assistant uses the BFH to 'persuade' the rusted solid joints to come apart.
The exhaust system will now flex annoyingly over the prop, so there's a tricky manouver of lifting it both ends, removing the centre box prop and lowering it to the floor.
CARDBOARD UNDER THE CATS PLEASE! If your cats are anything like mine, they'll have been scratched to sh!t by years of speed bump abuse, dragging them over a hard floor may finish them off, so be careful!
2: Propshaft
Brute force time! I found that a rattle gun/impact wrench couldnt physically get in the gap to remove these, but mine *is* an electric one - air ones tend to have a flat top for better access.
The home mechanic is going to have to muscle up and get a 1.5 meter breaker bar though.
Rear wheels should be off the ground to allow you to rotate the propshaft by hand
You need a 21mm spanner, 21mm socket and the biggest breaker bar you can find
One at a time, put the 21mm spanner on the nut, and brace it against the side of the transmission tunnel - this would be passenger side in a US car, or driver side in the UK. PAD IT, I didnt the first time and it removed paint off the trans tunnel!
Get your breaker bar in and as Barney says 'Gorilla it' - If you're working on jackstands, and you've got a massive breaker bar - access is limited, and we found it helps if you and your assistant both push the breaker bar around the first time due to the odd angles involved
Remove all 6 bolts in one go - the propshaft will not drop yet, and dont try making it.
Remove all the heat shielding under the propshaft, requires 13mm ratchet/spanner and 9/10mm spanner
Person 1 stays under the guibo area, person 2 locates under the centre bearing and removes the centre bearing bolts
Carefully lower the centre bearing, while person 1 wiggles the front of the propshaft until it jumps free off its locating bearing
Re-bolt up the centre bearing again to support the shaft and push the front of the shaft to one side.
Dont panic about the centre bearing supporting the weight of the shaft... it's been doing it for the last 15 years
Discard the guibo unless you've changed it less than 6 months ago - you'll only end up regretting it if you dont
Extract the gearbox output bolt lock and place to one side
Remove the two 13mm bolts out of the clutch slave cylender and drop it out and push to one side.
3: Lower the engine
This is the bit that scared me the most in the whole damn job... lowering the engine to sit on its sump on the crossmember. I've never actually moved an engine on its mounts before, so this was a new experience for me.
Before you lower the engine:
I hear people constantly ranting about how much hard work it is to get the top bolts out of the gearbox once it's lowered.
The key here is to remove the bolts from the top before you lower the engine.
If you spend 5 minutes stripping stuff out from the firewall under the bonnet, your life is going to be soooo much easier:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Ferret101/clutch/DSC00073.jpg
In fact remove all the bolts bar the bottom two before you lower the engine:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Ferret101/clutch/IMG_7689Large.jpg
You'll need two TORX bits for this, a T12 and a T10, the above groups #1, #2 and the upper of #3 can be accessed by dropping a long breaker bar in through the top, with an assistant under the car positioning the driver onto the torx heads.
Make sure the driver seats properly, torx bolts are notorious for stripping if the driver doesnt seat correctly!
Group #3 have 16mm bolts on the back of them as this is the alternate location for the starter depending on region. For some reason my starter also had an M15 bolt stuck through it, dont know why!?
Remove all the bolts apart from group #4, now we can begin lowering the engine...
You need to find yourself a decent prop, a block of wood is good, but better is an old yellow pages :-D - it's soft but hard enough to support the sump
Drop the anti roll bar, the gearbox will interfere with it
Place your prop between the sump and the crossmember
If you've not already done so, unbolt the connector mounting for the O2 sensor connections and unplug the reverse sensor plug - push to one side
Remove the gearknob and gaiter inside the car, unclip the rubber boot around the selector shaft
Unclip the selector lever from the bottom of the shift lever - doing this will allow the shift lever to move outside its normal movement arc and cleanly drop out of the car
Put a good trolley jack under the back end gearbox mount and drop out the four M13 bolts through it
Gradually lower the jack with an assistant (one who's willing to get doused in 8 litres of oil if things go to hell) listening *very* closely for any cracking noises or odd noises as the engine settles onto your chosen prop - some creaking and odd metallic noises are expected as the manifolds hit the heatshields. If you hear a cracking noise, jack the jack back up a little bit and get the hell out - dont take any risks! Crawl back under and carefully check for cracks/leaks.
Once the engine settles, for now leave the jack just under the end of the gearbox as support.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Ferret101/clutch/IMG_7679Medium.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Ferret101/clutch/IMG_7678Medium.jpg
It drops into 5 steps:
1) Remove Exhaust system
2) Drop propshaft and remove clutch slave
3) Lower engine onto support
4) Pull gearbox off back of engine
5) Remove clutch (and flywheel if you need to)
1) Exhaust system:
Seems an easy task, but may possibly be one of the longer winded processes here.
Pull all the manifold-cat fixings - these range from 12-13 mm - however they rust extremely badly, so you'll need to hammer a 12mm onto most of the outer fixings. Remove the cross brace off the back of the gearbox, 13mm spanner required due to the limited access
Prop the underside of the centre box, not the cats - the centre box is the centre of gravity on the whole system.
Unhook both centre rubber mounts
Drop the locking bolts out of the back box, make sure you've got something underneath to prop it with.
At this point you'll need an assistant with a BFH under the front of the car, while you grab the tail pipes and yank. The assistant uses the BFH to 'persuade' the rusted solid joints to come apart.
The exhaust system will now flex annoyingly over the prop, so there's a tricky manouver of lifting it both ends, removing the centre box prop and lowering it to the floor.
CARDBOARD UNDER THE CATS PLEASE! If your cats are anything like mine, they'll have been scratched to sh!t by years of speed bump abuse, dragging them over a hard floor may finish them off, so be careful!
2: Propshaft
Brute force time! I found that a rattle gun/impact wrench couldnt physically get in the gap to remove these, but mine *is* an electric one - air ones tend to have a flat top for better access.
The home mechanic is going to have to muscle up and get a 1.5 meter breaker bar though.
Rear wheels should be off the ground to allow you to rotate the propshaft by hand
You need a 21mm spanner, 21mm socket and the biggest breaker bar you can find
One at a time, put the 21mm spanner on the nut, and brace it against the side of the transmission tunnel - this would be passenger side in a US car, or driver side in the UK. PAD IT, I didnt the first time and it removed paint off the trans tunnel!
Get your breaker bar in and as Barney says 'Gorilla it' - If you're working on jackstands, and you've got a massive breaker bar - access is limited, and we found it helps if you and your assistant both push the breaker bar around the first time due to the odd angles involved
Remove all 6 bolts in one go - the propshaft will not drop yet, and dont try making it.
Remove all the heat shielding under the propshaft, requires 13mm ratchet/spanner and 9/10mm spanner
Person 1 stays under the guibo area, person 2 locates under the centre bearing and removes the centre bearing bolts
Carefully lower the centre bearing, while person 1 wiggles the front of the propshaft until it jumps free off its locating bearing
Re-bolt up the centre bearing again to support the shaft and push the front of the shaft to one side.
Dont panic about the centre bearing supporting the weight of the shaft... it's been doing it for the last 15 years
Discard the guibo unless you've changed it less than 6 months ago - you'll only end up regretting it if you dont
Extract the gearbox output bolt lock and place to one side
Remove the two 13mm bolts out of the clutch slave cylender and drop it out and push to one side.
3: Lower the engine
This is the bit that scared me the most in the whole damn job... lowering the engine to sit on its sump on the crossmember. I've never actually moved an engine on its mounts before, so this was a new experience for me.
Before you lower the engine:
I hear people constantly ranting about how much hard work it is to get the top bolts out of the gearbox once it's lowered.
The key here is to remove the bolts from the top before you lower the engine.
If you spend 5 minutes stripping stuff out from the firewall under the bonnet, your life is going to be soooo much easier:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Ferret101/clutch/DSC00073.jpg
In fact remove all the bolts bar the bottom two before you lower the engine:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Ferret101/clutch/IMG_7689Large.jpg
You'll need two TORX bits for this, a T12 and a T10, the above groups #1, #2 and the upper of #3 can be accessed by dropping a long breaker bar in through the top, with an assistant under the car positioning the driver onto the torx heads.
Make sure the driver seats properly, torx bolts are notorious for stripping if the driver doesnt seat correctly!
Group #3 have 16mm bolts on the back of them as this is the alternate location for the starter depending on region. For some reason my starter also had an M15 bolt stuck through it, dont know why!?
Remove all the bolts apart from group #4, now we can begin lowering the engine...
You need to find yourself a decent prop, a block of wood is good, but better is an old yellow pages :-D - it's soft but hard enough to support the sump
Drop the anti roll bar, the gearbox will interfere with it
Place your prop between the sump and the crossmember
If you've not already done so, unbolt the connector mounting for the O2 sensor connections and unplug the reverse sensor plug - push to one side
Remove the gearknob and gaiter inside the car, unclip the rubber boot around the selector shaft
Unclip the selector lever from the bottom of the shift lever - doing this will allow the shift lever to move outside its normal movement arc and cleanly drop out of the car
Put a good trolley jack under the back end gearbox mount and drop out the four M13 bolts through it
Gradually lower the jack with an assistant (one who's willing to get doused in 8 litres of oil if things go to hell) listening *very* closely for any cracking noises or odd noises as the engine settles onto your chosen prop - some creaking and odd metallic noises are expected as the manifolds hit the heatshields. If you hear a cracking noise, jack the jack back up a little bit and get the hell out - dont take any risks! Crawl back under and carefully check for cracks/leaks.
Once the engine settles, for now leave the jack just under the end of the gearbox as support.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Ferret101/clutch/IMG_7679Medium.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Ferret101/clutch/IMG_7678Medium.jpg