1 touch window up-down all 4 windows - what do you want?

[shogun]

Following to our success with the development of the interior light dimmer for E34 and E32, see here short videos
http://infinitier.ddo.jp/e32/video/topunit.mov
http://infinitier.ddo.jp/e32/video/foot.mov

we are discussing to develop as per request of some people a 4 window one touch up and down function.

We already have a module which works on E34 and E32 for the passenger side window for up-down one touch function (driver side works anyway up/down one touch with any kind of GM). That module is installed in many E34and E32 here in Japan, because we have RHD and many E32 and E34 here are LHD. So in order to get a more comfortable up-down one touch it was developed here in Japan by one of our members. Think about Highbway toll boths, parking lot ticket machines etc.

Now, based on requests from some people on this and other boards for E34 and E32 we will develope a system for all 4 windows.

Idea:

Functions planned:

1) one touch all 4 windows open by additional switch
2) one touch all 4 windows close by additional switch
3) operation beep sound none / small / loud
4) one touch open operation beep on / off
5) one touch close operation beep on / off
6) one touch operation beep until closed or opened

These beep functions are for safety reasons that no one can claim to you that their fingers might be squeezed, and maybe also as a nice gimmick.

These functions are not yet finally fixed and if there are wishes please let us know. We are just asking ourselves what you want to have. Such as one touch close open also including the sunroof or not.

We will then discuss the proposals in our group, if they are workable/feasible, also pricewise and then will decide what we finally will produce.

Thanks for your proposals.

[Ross]

Perhaps the rear lockout button could be utilized for the four windows down/up feature.
No beeping if you ask me. The action of the windows is confirmation enough that the button has been pressed.

[e34.535i.sport]

The beep sounds would annoy me... but the 1 touch for each window would be great. I'd also like it to continue going up even if someone else presses their while mine is moving!

How much will you be looking at selling them for???

[shogun]

How much will you be looking at selling them for???

Depends on:

-requests what should be included in the system
-quantity. In case there is only a smaller demand, we will have to do a lot of soldering of items. In case the number exceeds a certain minium, we can do it easier to make a motherboard = central or primary printed circuit board (PCB).

Finally we will decide on one version depending what most people request.


The beep sounds would annoy me...

Can be switched off. But think about safety in the car.
I do not want to be sued by someone who gets injured by not being careful enough.

So this is an issue we still have to consider, and especially the safety factor is very important. That is why I am also not sure if we will supply a unit to USA or not.

[shogun]

am personally a bit concerned about legal aspects.
In some countries people are being litigous.
Is there any problem? Please comment frankly. I want to make sure.
Here is why I think it isn't such a problem, but I might be wrong:

-first the people installing this are fans of the E 32/E34. They are self installing something which wasn't OEM, so I think chances of this having legal power are small. But I would like to have all aware of the case.
-if I decide to sell them, I will state that there is no auto reverse feature if some child gets caught in the window. I then have you as a buyer acknowledged that the risk is there and you are installing at your own risk and liability.
-this feature is no different to that applied to later E 32/E34 with the automatic windows (one touch down all, one touch up driver side). If it is ok to pass US laws then, it should pose no problem now?
-lastly the articles linked below imply this will be the law for new cars,not something that will be retrofitted to older cars.

So everyone please comment to my concerns, ...afterall YOU are the ones buying.
http://www.vehicle-injuries.com:80/window-accidents-news.htm

[repenttokyo]

i have never seen a single car where one touch up and down was accompanied by beeping/ Not even the E46 convertibles beep when the roof is going up or down, it just hits rear passengers in the back of the head. I don't think there is any need to worry about.

[tim eh?]

So this is an issue we still have to consider, and especially the safety factor is very important. That is why I am also not sure if we will supply a unit to USA or not.

yeah you don't want to get sued 'cause someone turned the beep off and guillotined their terrier. i'd be happy with a one touch down only, i'll get my key thing working again eventually i hope.

i was driving a friend's car once and i nearly did myself in - i leaned out the window and my elbow ended up on the control on the door armrest - my friend still cracks up about that. so just a suggestion - don't put the control on the door panel armrest or people like me will hurt themselves.



if you really want to make it slick how 'bout a "the windows are closing" a la "the door is a jar"?

[E34-520iSE]

For Shogun to cover his ass legally then maybe a small internal 'molex' jumper that switches the one touch up on or off is the way forward. That way the unit can be supplied to do one touch down only. However if the end user decides to modify the unit by inserting the jumper, then they are responsible for severed fingers etc.

Just a thought!

Shaun M

[repenttokyo]

For Shogun to cover his ass legally then maybe a small internal 'molex' jumper that switches the one touch up on or off is the way forward. That way the unit can be supplied to do one touch down only. However if the end user decides to modify the unit by inserting the jumper, then they are responsible for severed fingers etc.

Just a thought!

Shaun M

what about covering his ass if the car catches fire from a short?

just tell people that they are purchasing at their own risk.

[Stephan735i]

Very very interesting, me want a lot of kits, I know a lot of my fellow E34 540i owners also wants (and of course M5 owners) I want the same as on E39 = all 4 windows one touch up down on the original switch WITHOUT!! sound.

I don't know what the price would be, but if it's reasonable I could buy 10 kits, what kind of money do we talk about? €30, €100? Or?

Best Regards Stephan

[Bo525i]

No more beeps PLEASE.. :D

[shogun]

Very very interesting, me want a lot of kits, I know a lot of my fellow E34 540i owners also wants (and of course M5 owners) I want the same as on E39 = all 4 windows one touch up down on the original switch WITHOUT!! sound.

I don't know what the price would be, but if it's reasonable I could buy 10 kits, what kind of money do we talk about? €30, €100? Or?

Best Regards Stephan

Stephan,
the final price depends on the final version we make and the quantity we make and how we make them.
See my comments earlier:

Depends on:

-requests what should be included in the system
-quantity. In case there is only a smaller demand, we will have to do a lot of soldering of items. In case the number exceeds a certain minium, we can do it easier to make a motherboard = central or primary printed circuit board (PCB).

Finally we will decide on one version depending what most people request.

Aim is to produce a larger quantity to reduce the price as much as possible, so that the product is 'affordable'.
For example the light dimmer we developed was sold especially in the German E32 and E34 community at abt EURO 63 including shipping. On the German board they even made a installation instruction under tips and tricks.
http://www.7-forum.com/forum/24/dimmermoduleinbau-anleitung-82846.html

I cannot tell you a price now, depends on above, but goal is to make the price as low as possible so that many people can buy it and we can produce them in a small series with PCB's.

[Stephan735i]

Erich/Shogun; I see, hmmm have you writen about this at e34.de and 7er.com? I should write about it on e34m5.se and tell me friend Detlef who bought #788 from me:)

Best Regards Stephan

PS; I love that you work on things lika this! :D

[shogun]

Harry (DVD-Rookie) will probably take over the distribution in Germany as before for the dimmers. But he is also a bit concerned about the legal points.

Here some comments from Bimmerboard on this subject:

I agree about first buyers
A self-installed aftermarket device, when you include warnings in the packaging, would seem to be legally ok. A possible area of concern: selling the modified car to someone who has not agreed to the warnings. But even then, you as the maker of the device will be ok I think (I am not a lawyer, I just observe the legal environment and I may be making inaccurate assumptions - there's my CYA statement) and possibly then only the seller of the car may be found liable. But again I think not: modified cars are sold all the time, and nobody sues because their race-only ceramic brake pads didn't work when they were cold and they hit something.

It would be hard for someone to make the case that you intentionally sold a harmful product and disregarded basic precautions.

If you're really concerned, print out this entire thread - you'll have proof you asked the question and you acted responsibly. Oops, did I just ruin it by saying this?
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What about the 3rd buyer? No idea this is installed? The manufacturer of this
aftermarket device will be sued - litigious is a dirty word to me, but a real one. And parents never seem to be held responsible for anything - it is always someone else's fault - i.e. poor manufacturing design or unintentional use of the intended use for a particular product. You will need BRIGHT orange stickers to warn people the device is installed and they will have to be conspicuously placed. You will need verbiage that if these stickers are missing, then you are unliable (sic) , etc, etc, etc...
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[repenttokyo]

Harry (DVD-Rookie) will probably take over the distribution in Germany as before for the dimmers. But he is also a bit concerned about the legal points.

Here some comments from Bimmerboard on this subject:

I agree about first buyers
A self-installed aftermarket device, when you include warnings in the packaging, would seem to be legally ok. A possible area of concern: selling the modified car to someone who has not agreed to the warnings. But even then, you as the maker of the device will be ok I think (I am not a lawyer, I just observe the legal environment and I may be making inaccurate assumptions - there's my CYA statement) and possibly then only the seller of the car may be found liable. But again I think not: modified cars are sold all the time, and nobody sues because their race-only ceramic brake pads didn't work when they were cold and they hit something.

It would be hard for someone to make the case that you intentionally sold a harmful product and disregarded basic precautions.

If you're really concerned, print out this entire thread - you'll have proof you asked the question and you acted responsibly. Oops, did I just ruin it by saying this?
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What about the 3rd buyer? No idea this is installed? The manufacturer of this
aftermarket device will be sued - litigious is a dirty word to me, but a real one. And parents never seem to be held responsible for anything - it is always someone else's fault - i.e. poor manufacturing design or unintentional use of the intended use for a particular product. You will need BRIGHT orange stickers to warn people the device is installed and they will have to be conspicuously placed. You will need verbiage that if these stickers are missing, then you are unliable (sic) , etc, etc, etc...
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if BMW doesn't make the car beep when the windows go up and down, why should you?

[tim eh?]

if BMW doesn't make the car beep when the windows go up and down, why should you?

i'll bet BMW has better lawyers, although shogun has us for moral support.

i propose you make it with a beep that is easily disabled, and not include instructions for disabling it. then if someone loses an ear you can claim the device had not been installed according to the manufacturer's instructions.

what i really want is a device that says "I'm sorry, Tim, but I'm afraid I can't do that" when I say "open the pod bay doors, car." Can you make one of those next please?

[repenttokyo]

i'll bet BMW has better lawyers, although shogun has us for moral support.

i propose you make it with a beep that is easily disabled, and not include instructions for disabling it. then if someone loses an ear you can claim the device had not been installed according to the manufacturer's instructions.

what i really want is a device that says "I'm sorry, Tim, but I'm afraid I can't do that" when I say "open the pod bay doors, car." Can you make one of those next please?

better lawyers perhaps, but they are also a much bigger, much more visible target.

[tim eh?]

better lawyers perhaps, but they are also a much bigger, much more visible target.

whaaaaaat? i thought shogun was a billionaire hobbyist who just preferred low bandwidth...

maybe i missed something but i thought bmw did not install the all-auto-up on any car.

[repenttokyo]

whaaaaaat? i thought shogun was a billionaire hobbyist who just preferred low bandwidth...

maybe i missed something but i thought bmw did not install the all-auto-up on any car.

i think later 5's go auto all up. The convertibles in the 3 series have a version of it as well.

[th3_blur]

I would be interested in buying one so long as the price is reasonable. Definitely need ability to turn off the beeping and if possible, I would like to have an auto-close all windows and sunroof with one button. I hate when my phone starts ringing while I am driving and it takes me 15 seconds to get everything closed just so I can hear the person on the phone.

[attack eagle]

I tell you what i want...
someone to decode/decypher the German text on the LKM 'low beam failure' disable so I can install HIDs with out all the bastard relay wiring.


I don't need the car to tell me a low beam is out, I can see it just fine when it happens.

:)

I don;t need the car to one touch up on all windows, nor would I want it to. maybe the FRONT two, but never the back two.

[Elekta]

actually I want it to click click and park vent initiates with the proper 6 cracked openings and then I just walk away (double sunroof ends and 4 windows a half inch.) Then chirp chirp it blows me when I get back in. :D

[shogun]

Just delivered the first one touch up and down for passenger side only (not the rear ones) to
Beach911 for his E32 in the U.S.
It works and he is happy :D
http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/568316

Modul
http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=onetouch4windowopenclosps5.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=onetouch4windowopenclosbf5.jpg

[Jehu]

Just delivered the first one touch up and down for passenger side only (not the rear ones) to
Beach911 for his E32 in the U.S.
It works and he is happy :D
http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/568316

Modul
http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=onetouch4windowopenclosps5.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=onetouch4windowopenclosbf5.jpg

When I find the cause of my rear window sticking and the motor click,click,clicking I might be back for one...

[Stephan735i]

When I find the cause of my rear window sticking and the motor click,click,clicking I might be back for one...


Sounds like you need a new motor for the window, I have changed one motor one my Hellrot and 2 one my Automatic + need to change 1 more on the last one.

Stephan

PS; I have all the Equipmentlists on the US 540i/6 HE53:)

[Jehu]

Sounds like you need a new motor for the window, I have changed one motor one my Hellrot and 2 one my Automatic + need to change 1 more on the last one.

Stephan

PS; I have all the Equipmentlists on the US 540i/6 HE53:)


List? You mean like RealOEM? I tried taking the inside panel off the other day but gave up when I couldn't get the top section to budge... Have to give it a try this weekend. Thanks for the confirmation,i assumed that was going to prove to be the problem.