No smart@ss remarks, pls. How do you break the bead on a tight tire?

[ryan roopnarine]

i've changed other tires before (bike, motorcycle size, unimportant trailer ones) without the machines....just wondering, what do you old folks do to brake the bead on a car tire? i've tried standing on it, crowbar, lowering a washing machine onto its edge with a hydraulic jack....i'm thinking my next step it to get a long plank of wood, put it on the edge of the tire, and drive the e34 onto the plank. any suggestions?

[632 Regal]

I use an old style bumper jack, put the foot of it against the rim on the bead and jack it against anything that wont move.

[ryan roopnarine]

a big WTF....i ran over it as close as i possibly could get to the rim edge with mumsies ford taurus. i heard it exhale its air through the removed valve stem. i pulled and pulled, thinking it had to have been broken for all of that air to exit it. i roll off, and i hear the same air go back in.......any suggestions?

[Brian C.]

Once you get it off the rim, I assume that you're then going to eventually re-mount it on another rim?? Or put another tire on that rim? Just how the heck are you going to accomplish that??? Get in mumsy's car and take it to Sears for God sakes!!!!

OK, I'm though.


Brian C.

[ryan roopnarine]

if i take it to sears, the terrorists win brian.

its a f'd up tire that died in 20k miles. i'm mounting a used tire to establish wear patterns of my suspension so that i don't kill a good set of 4 new tires when i get everything fixed.. it aint brain surgery, it should have popped its cherry when my fat ass jumped up and down on it. I can buy a used tire for 20 including mounting, an amount i would have to pay close to to just get a tire changed somewhere....just have to find the right place in the ghetto to pop it off. Putting a tire back on is quite easy, actually.


Once you get it off the rim, I assume that you're then going to eventually re-mount it on another rim?? Or put another tire on that rim? Just how the heck are you going to accomplish that??? Get in mumsy's car and take it to Sears for God sakes!!!!

OK, I'm though.


Brian C.

[Brian C.]

You ARE on the 7 year plan at UF, aren't you.

Brian C.
:p

[rickm]

I paid $10.00 to get a tire swapped and rebalanced. For all of the time you'll spend fighting that thing you could have earned $10.00 :)

[ryan roopnarine]

10 dallaz????good lawd that's a lot of money. i don't work for the guv'mint. the only place i could earn 10 an hour is giving plasma, and you need a tire to do that :D i'm thinking that the e34 will be heavier, so i'll give it a whirl tomorrow, after excessively soaping the rim down and spraying it with wd40, ill leave the car on it for 30 mins or so, that should dislodge it. and i don't plan on spending more than 6 yrs there, including MS, brian. too many foiine 20 year olds for me not to stick around there for a little more than i need to.

[George M]

Best Way?
...empty all the air out of the tire and jack the car up as high as it will go...then kick the jack out and let the car free fall onto the wheel. This will bend the rim and you will be able to get a crow bar in there to remove the tire. That is the easiest way. Anybody who tries to remove a tire from a BMW alloy rim without a tire machine is....well, I will let you other guys fill in the blank...lol.
George

[ryan roopnarine]

part of my desire to do it myself stems from the last time i saw somebody do tires on this rim, i wanted to f'ing curse at him. i have done this in a way that i've put only minimal scratches on it....the tulip type hydraulic remover that most places use would do more damage to this rim in one application than i've done in one day, just due to operator roughness, and i loathe to think what the standard pneumatic shovel type would do.


Best Way?
...empty all the air out of the tire and jack the car up as high as it will go...then kick the jack out and let the car free fall onto the wheel. This will bend the rim and you will be able to get a crow bar in there to remove the tire. That is the easiest way. Anybody who tries to remove a tire from a BMW alloy rim without a tire machine is....well, I will let you other guys fill in the blank...lol.
George

[Brian C.]

12 should still keep you movin'! :D

Maybe you should try a chainsaw.


Brian C.

[George M]

Ryan,
The reason people on this board get their wheels scratched from a tire machine is they don't know how to interact with tire stores. As in every walk there is a right approach versus one left more to chance. The best way is to go to the store of choice...for me it is Discount tire...who have the best machines and will not scratch a wheel if used properly...and go have a heart to heart with the store manager. Ask him point blank who is the best tire mechanic in the store...the Mgr will normally tell you. Next...ask him when he will be working. Show up when the kid...generally a kid albeit a smart, thoughtful caring car crazy kid will be working. Try to pick a time when store traffic is low and everybody isn't too stressed. Pull the kid off to the side and tell him you are very anal about your wheels and you will tip him $20 and buy him lunch if he will be extra careful with your prize rims. Also, if possible, never drive your car to a tire place...remove the wheels at home and wash them thoroughly front and back...use wheel cleaner on the back of the wheels. I use nothing but stick on weights on the back of my BMW alloys and all my cars in fact. A clean wheel will not only be treated with more respect but will balance better and the stick on weights will adhere much better. Use your other car to drive the wheels to the tire store...putting plastic down if they go on the seats. In life there are few shortcuts if you want something done right...a chess game of sorts. Seek out the best people and treat them like you want to be treated...with respect and you will be rewarded. Roll each wheel, one by one into the tire store and personally hand them to the tire mechanic. If you don't sweat the details and just show up without any forethought then you will be left with a pedestrian outcome.
HTH,
George

[ryan roopnarine]

my "tire person" is on vacation this week. the only other time i've gotten a tire changed on these rims, said tire person did not have any 225 60 15 in stock, and I needed the car the next day to drive to ontario. he does a pretty good job on other wheels that i've brought him, with me observing the procedure. If i can't dislodge it within one or two attempts tomorrow, ill just roll around on the spare for another week until he's back. oh, and if i haven't made it abundantly clear to others on the board.....DON'T BUY DUNLOP SP SPORT A2s. these lasted about 21k miles before a partial tread seperation. I hate the fact that two of the remaining tires on the car will be these.

[George M]

I have heard negative things about Dunlops also. Until I buy my first bad Yokohama, that will be my tire of choice.
George