E36 uses M50 engine, right? Turbo Questions inside...

[bad_manners_god]

I've decided to forget Coil-Overs and go for a bolt-on turbo kit running low boost(6-8psi) on stock internals.

I found a bolt-on kit for the E36 6 CYL which has the same exhaust manifold as an E34 right?

Which means, the rest of the kit should bolt on except for the intercooler piping which I know I'll need to modify.

So, question time for you turbo guru's

1.) E36 Exhaust Manifold the same as E34?
2.) If above awnser is yes...What else do I need to worry about not fitting from E36 Turbo kit?
3.) Is it hard to make a custom Downpipe because it doesnt come with the kit.
4.) What kind of power can I expect from this setup going through an automatic transmission(for now)
5.) Any other things I should be worried about the setup?

Tuning is not a problem.

[Jon K]

If this is one of those $1500 kits, dont.

[bad_manners_god]

If this is one of those $1500 kits, dont.

It's more like 800, but there's got to be a good reason?

[healtoeit]

It's more like 800, but there's got to be a good reason?

A real turbo kit

http://www.activeautowerke.com/viewp...x?id=Product04

but i have no idea if this will fit on the e34 m50!

[bad_manners_god]

A real turbo kit

http://www.activeautowerke.com/viewp...x?id=Product04

but i have no idea if this will fit on the e34 m50!

Thats the problem, 10000 reasons more than i can explain.

Low boost is better than no boost.

[Jon K]

Man so much bad information in this thread.

[bad_manners_god]

Man so much bad information in this thread.

Come on, I know you want to clear it up, your like super smart with turbo's. I want to learn.

[Jon K]

Come on, I know you want to clear it up, your like super smart with turbo's. I want to learn.

1) if you turbo charge your car on that automatic you WILL break the transmission

2) superchargers have no lag - false. The superchargers that are available for the M50 are called centrifugal superchargers. They are essentially turbochargers with a gear reduction unit and a belt driven compressor wheel. This makes them not only have lag but have a LOT of lag. Yes they start making boost low rpm, but they don't achieve "max boost" until your red-line right before you ****. So basically you may only have 1 psi at 3500 rpm, 3 at 4500 rpm, 6 at 5500+ rpm, and right at your red-line you'll make your peak boost. That's really really boring and makes the car no where near as efficient as with a turbocharger. There's a saying that goes around CF blowers that they're "All the lag, none of the boost" of a turbo.

3) Do you honestly think a turbo kit for under $3500 or so is going to be real? Dude, those ebay junk turbos are barely turbos at all. they last about 100 - 200 miles before they explode filling your engine with shards of broken compressor wheel and housing. A normal turbo should cost you about $750+ by itself. A normal turbo uses bolts or a v-band clamp to hold the housings together. The SS autochrome turbos are held together with EPOXY. The eBay/SSAutochrome manifold for the BMW can work - I used one in my Holset turbo build. However, I modified it and built an up pipe and yeah its not a good manifold by itself, it has no wastegate port and it CRACKs. I used their manifold to build a former turbo setup and came in around $3000 - $3500. All I used was their manifold, the rest of it was quality TiAL parts and a Holset turbo.

4) You say "tuning is no problem". How do you figure that?

[M20Turbo]

1) if you turbo charge your car on that automatic you WILL break the transmission

2) superchargers have no lag - false. The superchargers that are available for the M50 are called centrifugal superchargers. They are essentially turbochargers with a gear reduction unit and a belt driven compressor wheel. This makes them not only have lag but have a LOT of lag. Yes they start making boost low rpm, but they don't achieve "max boost" until your red-line right before you ****. So basically you may only have 1 psi at 3500 rpm, 3 at 4500 rpm, 6 at 5500+ rpm, and right at your red-line you'll make your peak boost. That's really really boring and makes the car no where near as efficient as with a turbocharger. There's a saying that goes around CF blowers that they're "All the lag, none of the boost" of a turbo.

3) Do you honestly think a turbo kit for under $3500 or so is going to be real? Dude, those ebay junk turbos are barely turbos at all. they last about 100 - 200 miles before they explode filling your engine with shards of broken compressor wheel and housing. A normal turbo should cost you about $750+ by itself. A normal turbo uses bolts or a v-band clamp to hold the housings together. The SS autochrome turbos are held together with EPOXY. The eBay/SSAutochrome manifold for the BMW can work - I used one in my Holset turbo build. However, I modified it and built an up pipe and yeah its not a good manifold by itself, it has no wastegate port and it CRACKs. I used their manifold to build a former turbo setup and came in around $3000 - $3500. All I used was their manifold, the rest of it was quality TiAL parts and a Holset turbo.

4) You say "tuning is no problem". How do you figure that?

Jon, I could of not said it any better. You are alright for taking the time to explain to us all and share your expertise. I have had my turbo for 7 years and she is still running strong. I did however have the engine taken completely apart and rebuilt specificity for the turbo. Stroker, dished pistons, heavy duty everything, blueprinted and dyno. Your right, you can not just add a turbo and expect for the the stock parts to survive.......

[healtoeit]

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2) superchargers have no lag - false. The superchargers that are available for the M50 are called centrifugal superchargers. They are essentially turbochargers with a gear reduction unit and a belt driven compressor wheel. This makes them not only have lag but have a LOT of lag. Yes they start making boost low rpm, but they don't achieve "max boost" until your red-line right before you ****. So basically you may only have 1 psi at 3500 rpm, 3 at 4500 rpm, 6 at 5500+ rpm, and right at your red-line you'll make your peak boost. That's really really boring and makes the car no where near as efficient as with a turbocharger. There's a saying that goes around CF blowers that they're "All the lag, none of the boost" of a turbo.

NEVER herd of that kind of set up! thanks for clearing up my mistake though!